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Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Which one of these on the list is a new use of space in Inuvik? I know that the deputy minister said before that there are PWS employees, I believe, still located in the office space on the ground floor of the Perry Building, so we know where they are coming from. Where are the rest of these folks coming from?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

The MACA folks are in their own building, which is an old government building, so they will be coming from there when we vacate it. The Perry Building is a three storey building. We have to vacate the top two floors. Public Works is on the third floor. We are now down on the bottom floor. That’s all we are allowed to occupy. Public Works will be in there, as the Member mentioned. FMBS that was in there is now accommodated with MACA in their building. Once Education left the Perry Building, we leased space with other commercial properties in Inuvik. The public health unit I think is going to be…. Some folks are going to come from the hospital, is my understanding.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you. Those are all the questions I have for now.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Any further questions? Mr. Krutko.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Aumond mentioned there is going to be swing space. What’s the use of that space? Is that for future expansions or so when people move out of other facilities, they’ve got a place to stay? Is that what this is?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Aumond.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The use of swing space is something that we work into our office space standards. Right now, if we have to do any renovations to leased space, we don’t really have any other place for these people to go. If

there’s not a lot of space or if some departments at MACA or Public Works or any other people who are going in there require more people or more employees or more staff, then we have room for them. We need to accommodate for some growth, but the intention, again

and the commitment has

been made

is that other than the people who we

have identified, we’re not intending to move anybody else out of leased space in Inuvik.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

A number of months ago we had a similar discussion in regard to the Department of Environment, where they moved out to Shell Lake and were in the facility where they were renting space, yet they had the department check to see exactly what is the vacancy rate in Inuvik of retail space.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

We have never checked to see what the vacancy of retail space would be in Inuvik.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, there are quite a few facilities in Inuvik that aren’t really operating at their full capacity. I know that there are offices that are underutilized in Inuvik. I’m wondering: as a department have we done due diligence by way of finding those other facilities that could be reformatted so that the departments that you mentioned could be considered within facilities in the Inuvik rental market that are already there?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Minister Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Public Works has done the analysis and evaluation and has put forward this option as the best one to proceed with.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, in regard to an option being the best one, I believe we had the same battle going back to the 13th Assembly regarding the Lahm Ridge Tower. That asset had been sold off, because the government said they had no use for that facility. They got rid of it, and the battle over that thing…. Also look at the capital cost of the Perry Building. That thing’s been a cash cow ever since we built it. I think the cost of maintenance, renovations, upkeep and whatnot, taking into consideration all those long term costs…. Has the government thought that in some cases we should maybe allow the private sector to provide these things and also to stimulate that economy in those deprived areas in the Northwest Territories?

I would like to again ask the Minister: have you done due diligence to ensure that the private sector is not going to be put in a situation where they make a major capital investment and then find out that government seepage by way of staff and programs, leeched to each office in government facilities, will have an impact on that market in Inuvik? Inuvik isn’t that healthy right now, especially with the whole pipeline in the next couple of years,

which could have a major impact on that economy. So have you looked at doing due diligence? The present regime has basically made capital investments by way of buying into that market not knowing exactly what the implications of this is going to be on that sector.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, once again, the assessment was done. The staff in the Perry Building are some of the folks that are going to be relocated, because the condition of the building made it beyond use. There’s a balance that we try to look at as we move forward in communities so that we respect some of the concerns raised by the Member. In this case the approach determined as the best was to redo the building.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Can the Minister release the report he mentioned in regard to due diligence that was done by the department so we can see for ourselves exactly what the contents of that report are and what the findings are by way of the effect it will have on to the private sector in Inuvik?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, I’ll commit to pulling together a package of information for committee.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Can we get that information before we conclude this department?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, we’ll get that work done as quickly as we can. Considering the fact that we’re currently before committee, we’ll endeavour to have that done by tomorrow.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

With that, I’d suggest that we defer this department until we receive that information.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Mrs. Groenewegen.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

The combined storage building and the office building is 47,000 square feet. The rationale I’m hearing for it is that the space that some of the government offices are in right now is old. I want to know more about what that entails, because in my community not government employees but students are in a building that’s old, and I can’t even get air quality reports, although I’ve asked for them repeatedly. I can’t get the asbestos report for that school, although I’ve asked for it repeatedly. PWS has not provided that.

To hear about an investment of this type for a building of this size because government employees are in a space that’s old doesn’t cut it for me. Until we get information to the questions that Mr. Krutko has asked and until we have a chance to discuss this further in terms of it being a priority in our capital budget over health centres, water treatment, schools…. Until we can get a

sense of the priority that’s being placed on this particular project, I would agree with Mr. Krutko’s request that we defer consideration of the capital expenditures for Public Works and Services until we have that information in hand.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Before we move forward and decide whether we’re going to defer this, I’ll go to Mr. Aumond and let him answer your other questions. Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Minister Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We’ll just restate the commitment that by tomorrow we’ll pull together a package of information for committee that will hopefully capture and be able to address the questions that have been raised.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Bromley.