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Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

When Mr. Aumond speaks of a standard, is he referring to a standard that has

been specifically detailed to consider the northern climate and the environment here, or is this just a national eco standard that he is referring to that would be the same as if you were building something in downtown Calgary?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Our design standards are for subarctic or arctic environments. It is something we have designed for ourselves and implemented here that will exceed anything that you would see down South.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Any further questions? Mr. Krutko.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Aumond mentioned that they were approved for $500,000 in the previous budget. Could you tell me exactly what the $500,000 was spent on, and has it been expended?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Aumond.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

The $500,000 for ’08–09 was just approved about two weeks ago by the House, and we have not yet spent any money.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Could Mr. Aumond elaborate on exactly what the $500,000 is going to be used for?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

For preliminary design work.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

That answer was really helpful. I would like to ask Mr. Aumond to elaborate a little more on exactly what the $500,000 is going to be spent for.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

The $500,000 will be spent on work to undertake design development for the building so that we can get it to the stage where we can put an RFP out so that proponents will have an idea about what it is we are looking for, how we see it sitting on the land that we propose to put it on and so that we can solicit proposals to complete the design and construction of that project.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

In regard to the $17 million that is going to be expended or had to be approved for this year, what is the construction timeframe you’re looking at here? Are you going to construct it over a year, three years, five years? What type of a timeframe are you looking at in regard to constructing such a facility?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

For ’09–10 we are looking for $12 million for this project and not the $17.2 million as the total for the activity for the division. We expect that this winter we will knock down the building, the old Aurora College site, and that will be used for the other allocation I spoke to earlier. We will spend the $500,000 in remaining ’08–09 to get to this design development, and we hope that by December or January we will have an RFP out and that we can commence our design and construction in ’09–10.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

In regard to the urgency of this project and the timelines that we’re looking at, I’d just like to ask the Minister: where does the priority of capital projects fit by way of urgency in regard to other types of capital projects? I’ll use as an example water treatment facilities for communities. For me that’s an urgent capital project. Most of these projects will not see the light of day until 2010, yet they were approved in previous years. I find it kind of interesting that this project happened to be fast tracked, moved to the front of the line, and is going to be constructed prior to essential infrastructure for communities by way of water treatment facilities.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Finance what due diligence was done here in regard to ensuring that we establish the priorities that this government needs to implement infrastructure across the Territories, to see where the real emergencies are so that we can deal with those pressures that are out there. Again, how does this project come by way of emergency, overriding other projects such as water treatment facilities?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Minister Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This project didn’t override other projects. It was brought forward because of the pressing nature of the requirement. The bundled water treatment plants have a schedule. They are going to be completed probably before this records storage building, and they are proceeding with all speed possible.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Krutko.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In regard to Diamond Jenness I saw the report on that facility, and it is amazing that people allow students to go to that facility. That to me is an essential project. But in regard to this project I think it basically does not really meet the standard of essential by way of real infrastructure.

This government can spend its capital dollars as a result of a private sector that is already in the market that provides space in Inuvik. I want departments to have their own office — something that the Inuvik region has been fighting for, for years — but they would not support the private sector and private market in Inuvik. Nowadays they are competing against them. I think that shows us exactly where the priority of this government is going. I would like to ask: where does the Diamond Jenness School stand in line with an office building for department staff versus children in a community such as Hay River?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The one issue that is now before the Diamond Jenness project is the

completion of educational programming by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment that will allow this project to move forward.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

At the appropriate time, Mr. Chair, I would like to move a motion to defer this project.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Minister Miltenberger? To the next person on the list. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you. Just some quick calculations here, Mr. Chairman. This project looks like it is coming in at about $425 per…. All right, let me take that back. Different types of uses of buildings come in at different…. Hospital costs differ per square foot from a warehouse, for example, for records storage. So I would like to ask the Minister how the government’s estimate of this particular project was determined.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Aumond.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The estimates that we would have come up with for the office building would have been based on what we were seeing as costs for office buildings anywhere else that we had either just built or that we saw being constructed elsewhere. Also, we would have done a community cost differential for Inuvik, say, versus what we were paying for the office building, whether it be in Fort Simpson or in Yellowknife. Looking at what is going to be in the office building, one of the major cost drivers for this building will be, I guess, the addition of a small data centre in there that was in the Perry Building and needs to go in this building. It’s just general office spaces. It’s basically a square box with a block, with a floor plate. It also includes all the tenant improvements that go into that building as well rather than just being the base building.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

So at the risk of repeating myself

I may have already asked this question

please tell me if Mr. Aumond said he could get this information for me. Let me just ask again. The records storage and data centre will go in there for about 8,500 square feet. A medical clinic I think he said was going in there. I would just like to get a breakdown again of the clients or tenants proposed for this base. Is it already all spoken for? Is there going to be extra space, and are they going to be leasing out space to other people?

I’d like to get more detail on how this has come to a 47,000 square foot building, the same size as the Wal-Mart. It’s hard to believe that all these people are tucked away in other places, that all these client departments are all tucked away in other places in Inuvik. It’s a bit hard to imagine this particular consolidation of people that are just kind of out there given the fact that Mr. Aumond said there would be no tenants displaced from current leases.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) NWT Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

The records storage building, Mr. Chair, will be a separate building that’s 793 square metres. For the office building we will have general office space for Public Works, MACA and the Financial Management Board Secretariat for 1,337 square metres. The career and income support centre, which is Education, Culture and Employment, is 502 square metres. The public health unit will be 479 square metres. There will also be a mechanical room and a building services room for 841 square metres. The data centre is going to be 167 square metres, and there is going to be an allocation of swing space, which will be circulation space that we can use to move people around, of about 249 square metres. So those are the space allocations on the program we have for this building.