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Motion 13-16(3): Mackenzie Valley Highway Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to also rise and speak in favour of this motion. I think it’s very important that we speak as a Legislature in one voice in support of a project. it will empower the Ministers in charge of relevant portfolios and the Premier, the business leaders from the North, aboriginal government leaders to speak in one voice that we support the building of the Mackenzie Valley Highway to the Arctic Coast.

As I sit here and listen to the debate it is quite daunting, this project. It’s a huge project at $1.8 billion-plus. This is a huge investment. But I also sit here and remember that when I came in here in 1999, apparently I used to rail about a lot of things. One of the things that I used to rail about was reconstruction and completion of Highway No. 3. When you look at Highway No. 3, it cost over a

million dollars per kilometre just between Behchoko and Yellowknife, which was not done when I came here. In today’s dollars that would be about $150 million for 100 kilometres. But we got that done with the help of the federal government and investments from the territorial government. I know it’s becoming winding in different ways, but I remember looking at that and looking at our capital budget saying this is a huge project to argue for, but we did that and we got it done. It was always understood that we need to expand this work.

The third thing that I’d like to mention is the fact that there’s something not right about the fact that northern communities and our people are not connected by road. I understand it is the only jurisdiction that does not have a road system, but for every other province you should be able to get from point A to point B within their province on their own road. Whereas our NWT residents, our brothers and sisters in the North of the Territories, have to go through Yukon to get to us. There’s something not right about that. It’s time we connect these roads and it’s important that the politicians and leaders stand up and make a point and put an exclamation point to our desires and wishes.

The fourth issue, and last issue, I want to speak to is about the fact that the cost of living issue is the single most important issue that faces all of us. While I make reference to the fact that every resident in Range Lake, for example, speaks to me about cost of living issues -- high cost of fuel, high cost of electricity, high cost of milk or whatever -- but when we travel to communities it is unbelievable how much our residents have to pay for most basic goods that we need to live on. It’s so important that the government, especially the federal government, step in and make investment for the long term and to connect our communities so that our residents could have the most basic necessities in life that they can afford for the long term. Because air travel and air freight is just not going to be viable for the long term and that makes this project more important than any other.

So I’m happy to be standing in favour of this motion.

Motion 13-16(3): Mackenzie Valley Highway Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Premier, Mr. Roland.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the Members for coming forward and bringing this motion to the House, working together on it. It’s an initiative that we’ve highlighted on quite a number of occasions since the start of the 16th Assembly. I’ve taken the opportunity on a

number of fronts, whether it was with the Prime Minister or on a recent trip to Ottawa on the federal budget looking at an economic stimulus plan and trying to have this project recognized and

established with the federal government. It is, indeed, good to see that Members have pulled together on this project and support a joint initiative.

We’ve heard some figures put on the floor here about the cost of the project. We know that there are interested groups in the Northwest Territories. We’ve heard of the Mackenzie Aboriginal Corporation who has been a part of the work in trying to get the federal government to establish this project as well. They’ve done some of their work. Our Department of Transportation is highlighted by Minister Michael McLeod on their initiative to get this work done and do an analysis of the cost-benefit side. We know at some point we’re going to have to go out. If we get the federal government to establish this project, put it on the books and fund it, then we can talk about how we’re going to get that project built and work with groups like the Mackenzie Aboriginal Corporation at that time to see this project move along. Most importantly, we need to get this project established and put on the books with the federal government, as they still hold the key responsibility in this area.

I again thank Members for bringing this forward and I look forward to our building on this together and having a joint initiative, whether it is the approach down in Ottawa with our aboriginal partners in the Northwest Territories, to see the federal government establish this project for the benefit of all people in the Northwest Territories.

Motion 13-16(3): Mackenzie Valley Highway Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. I will now allow the mover of the motion to have some closing remarks. Mr. Yakeleya.

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I surely want to thank the Members for their comments in terms of this motion here. There are three eras that I look at in terms of the Northwest Territories. I look at the first era I spoke of earlier today, about the stories of our people here from the lard pails to the oil pails generation. Then somewhere down the line we went from the moose skin boats to the jet boats. Now today we’re talking about the goat roads to the gravel roads.

Certainly there are lots of discussions from our communities talking about this motion. Some very good comments I have heard and taken notes on this motion. I heard some very good ideas about how and if we could build and how to get the attention of the federal government.

When you go into our communities, any of our communities, and you have coffee or tea with people and sit and listen and talk to them, as Mr. Miltenberger has said, some of our communities do not have access all year round. In my region when the winter road is open, there is lots of excitement. When it’s closing there is also lots of excitement,

because people have to come back with truckloads of groceries that could be bought at cheaper places in the South here.

The one question I’ve been asked over many times is how come we are unable to build an all-season road up the Mackenzie Valley. How come, in this day and age, we can’t be able to get together and build this road? You certainly heard around the table, there’s lots of complexities in terms of how do we get this road built. You heard a lot of issues that will come forward. Some people do favour. Some people want to wait and see what type of impacts it may cause or bring. The access, as Mr. McLeod has listed in terms of the percentage, maybe there’s something this government could look at introducing a legislation that no community be left behind in terms of the equality and fairness of all people in the communities of the Northwest Territories.

You heard Members talk very expertly in terms of the benefits that this highway could be a major contributor not only to the Northwest Territories but to the rest of Canada. You heard about the exploration, the tourism, decreasing the cost of goods, and increasing the standards of living in our communities. We also heard from notable authors on the study of the Mackenzie Valley Highway from the ‘50s, ‘60s, ‘70s, ‘80s and ’90, and the federal government’s statements on sovereignty in the North.

This motion we need to put on the books, as the Premier said. That is the key to the Mackenzie Valley Highway. Put it on the books and the federal government’s office. We have the willingness, as has been noted by Robert C. McLeod, that we have well-trained people in our communities. You all know in your own communities’ people who can operate machines, people who can get up and do some really good work in terms of the projects that are happening in your communities. Some of them are waiting to put the heavy metal to the ground and start working on this Mackenzie Valley Highway.

I heard how do we get the attention of the federal government. I think the other night when I was watching a movie with my boy, Horton’s movie I think it is, with the little village and the flower plant there. Anyway, my son loves it. This elephant is carrying around this little flower. The other animals want to trample it. He’s trying to save this little village. So in order for the elephant to get the other animals to believe that this is really truly a little community down here, they had to make noise. But they couldn’t break through the sound barrier until they got the whole community up and rattles and roaring and yelling and that. They finally broke through the sound barrier because of a little boy that has an invention. Anyhow, my son loves that

movie. I think that scenario is something like in Ottawa. How do we break the sound barrier for them to hear? I think Mrs. Groenewegen talked about that. What a novel idea to have one of our elders who has been most vocal in our papers. Some people read it very passionately and some people read them for other purposes. But she’s always been very consistent in talking to us as politicians and talking to us as leaders about opening up the resources and having the Mackenzie Valley Highway be the forefront in the government’s eyes. I’m thinking here why not have something like Mrs. McCauley situated in Ottawa on the front lawn with a tent or tepee, if you want and give her some living expenses, and constantly rattle the halls of Ottawa and the federal government? To yell at them, because that’s what I’m hearing. It’s the federal government’s responsibility for construction and maintenance of the highway.

Yet when we want to make a statement, I think we have to do something radical also as people in the Northwest Territories. They passionately are looking forward to opening this road. As Mrs. Groenewegen has also said, it’s natural. Members talked about northern and aboriginal corporations getting involved. I think that’s very significant in the areas we have in the Northwest Territories.

I read somewhere that 44,000 construction workers were laid off last year. This project alone in our regions, when you look at our own communities, how many operators are there? How many slashers in terms of clearing the areas? How many administrative workers do we have? There’s not enough. We’re going to need some people to help us. If we plan it right, Northerners will be put first on the project. Northerners will benefit first on this project, then we’ll invite the outside people to help. I think that is the way to go from the communities on this project here.

The Mackenzie Valley and the Mackenzie Valley Gas Pipeline are at a crossroads. It’s been noted by Members that this project, should it go ahead, could save the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline millions, if not billions, of dollars. But we were told that they and Ottawa, the pipeline companies do not want to see this project tied with the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline. They have their reasons. However, I think this project here should be the first to go.

There are lots of reasons why we should make this go. There are a number of meetings already happening in the Mackenzie Valley. It happened with the members of various communities down the Mackenzie Valley in 1998-1999 on the discussion. There’s lots of information out there.

I want to say that the CANOL Road, when it was built in the 1940s, took 30,000 men 13 months to

get the oil flowing from Norman Wells to Whitehorse. Surely we can do something like that in the Northwest Territories. It’s critically important that people in the Northwest Territories also look at the environment in terms of our land. It’s very important and I think that approach should be in the forefront when we start looking at mega projects, how we are going to protect our land, our water, and our air.

Mr. Speaker, coming from a community that has no roads in terms of all-season roads, it’s very difficult to say how much and badly we need to look at all-season roads in our regions. Mr. Jacobson is right; when we have to travel, we pay the high cost of getting airline tickets, we fly out to the communities. Some of the families leave during the winter to take their families out for holidays, even when there is school. You just can’t afford those types of prices. Sometimes people on the Mackenzie River in my region jump in their boat and drive down to Wrigley and get off, jump in another vehicle and take off.

Ms. Lee is right; the price of food is astronomical in terms of what we pay in our small communities. I know the Minister of Transportation has tried various options. I think we need to support him with all the people of the Northwest Territories on this one focussed initiative.

Mr. Krutko talked about the Mackenzie Aboriginal Corporation. I, too, met with them and I met with the regional leaders. This is one corporation that is trying to assemble leaders and corporations together to look at this project here as a means to open up and sustain the Northwest Territories in terms of its resources and economics.

Mr. Speaker, it has been noted by Prime Minister Diefenbaker and those who served in his Cabinet understood very well about vision and his leadership abilities to open up the road to resources. This Conservative government has the ability today to put a stamp on what the former Conservative government did; to end it here. I would like to thank the Members because it’s been on very few and rare occasions that Members join together on a motion and see how consensus government works and creating positive benefits for all people in the Northwest Territories.

We’ve come a long way in the ‘60s, ‘70s, ‘80s and ‘90s, yet we have many, many, many years to go yet to become a true partner in Canada. I think by this project here, this one would unite not only the people in the Northwest Territories but it would unite us with the rest of Canada.

Mr. Speaker, it’s been said the greatest progress we have made and the greatest progress we have yet to make is in the human heart. Mr. Speaker, that was said by Martin Luther King. When I hear

people talking passionately about their thing, people talk about this road very passionately in our communities. I think people believe in this government, believe in the leaders around this table here, to make something like this a go. Where there is a way, there’s a will, I hear.

Motion 13-16(3): Mackenzie Valley Highway Carried
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An Hon. Member

Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Oh, she corrected me, Mr. Speaker. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

Motion 13-16(3): Mackenzie Valley Highway Carried
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An Hon. Member

Sounds better.

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

So I wanted to thank the honourable Member for the Deh Cho for seconding this motion here. We support this motion very clearly and the people of the Northwest Territories have spoken up. Lots of Members have said some very good things in terms of supporting this motion here and I hope the message gets to Ottawa in many different ways and that they react in a positive manner to this motion.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to request a recorded vote.

Motion 13-16(3): Mackenzie Valley Highway Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The Member is asking for a recorded vote. Mr. Clerk. All those in favour to the motion, please stand.

Recorded Vote
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Doug Schauerte Deputy Clerk Of The House

Mr. Yakeleya; Ms. Lee; Mr. Miltenberger; Mr. Roland; Mr. McLeod, Deh Cho; Mr. McLeod, Inuvik Twin Lakes; Mr. McLeod, Yellowknife South; Mr. Krutko; Mr. Bromley; Mr. Abernethy; Mr. Menicoche; Mr. Ramsay; Mrs. Groenewegen; Mr. Beaulieu; Mr. Jacobson; and Ms. Bisaro.

Recorded Vote
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you. All those opposed to the motion, please stand. All those abstaining, please stand. The results of the vote: 16 for, none opposed, none abstaining. The motion is carried unanimously.

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Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 7-16(3), Ministerial Benefits Policy; Committee Report 2-16(3), Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures Report on Matters Referred to the Committee; Tabled Document 17-16(3), Supplementary Appropriation No. 3, 2008-2009; Tabled Document 11-16(3), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2009-2010; Bill 1, An Act to Amend the Historical Resources Act; Bill 3, International Interest in Mobile Aircraft

Equipment Act; Bill 4, Public Library Act; Bill 5, Professional Corporations Act; and Bill 7, An Act to amend the Student Financial Assistance Act. By the authority given to me as Speaker by Motion 10-16(3), I hereby authorize the House to sit beyond the daily hour of adjournment to consider the business before the House, with Mr. Krutko in the chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I would like to call Committee of the Whole to order. We have Tabled Document 7-16(3), Committee Report 2-16(3), Tabled Document 11-16(3), Bills 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, Tabled Document 17-16(3). What is the wish of the committee? Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Today the committee would like to…Are we finished Industry, Tourism and Investment? Okay. We would like to consider the budget of Environment and Natural Resources department and then as time permits, move on to the Department of Transportation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

With that, we will take a short break and begin with the Department of Environment.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I call Committee of the Whole back to order. Prior to the break, we agreed that we will start our session of Committee of the Whole with the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources. At this time, I would like to ask the Minister, Mr. Miltenberger, if he has any opening remarks with regard to the department’s estimates. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chair, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources promotes and supports the sustainable use and development of natural resources to protect, conserve and enhance the Northwest Territories environment for the social and economic benefit of all residents.

Through these proposed main estimates, the department is requesting a total of $60.8 million for the 2009-2010 fiscal year. This is a 6.9 percent increase over last year.

The residents of the Northwest Territories want sound and wise management decision-making on

the sustainable use and development of natural resources that will ensure the protection, conservation and enhancement of our environment for the social and economic benefit of current and future generations.

The Department of Environment and Natural Resources recognizes that sound decisions are based on open and inclusive discussion. We will continue to work collaboratively with aboriginal governments, communities and the public in making resource management decisions.

As Members have stated in this House, energy conservation and reducing energy costs are high priorities for many residents. During 2009-2010 the department will spend $3.3 million to develop alternative energy supplies and investigate the potential of emerging technologies such as biomass and geothermal energy. An additional $1.6 million will be used to install wind turbines in Tuktoyaktuk.

This investment in alternative energy sources and technologies will help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and support our efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the Northwest Territories. These include investments in hydro by this government. Implementation of the NWT Hydro Strategy includes funding for specific mini-hydro projects in Whati and Lutselk’e as well as the proposed Taltson Hydro Expansion Project.

Another $1.8 million has been dedicated to other initiatives which will enhance the Energy Efficiency Incentive Program and expand programming offered by the Arctic Energy Alliance through the establishment of three new regional-based positions to provide basic education awareness and advice on energy conservation.

Climate change remains a serious issue for the NWT. During 2009-2010 the department will implement the NWT Climate Change Adaptation Plan and work with partners to develop initial regional climate change scenarios. This work will assist other GNWT departments, communities and regional governments address adaptation problems. Coordination and delivery of actions contained in the Greenhouse Gas Strategy will also continue.

ENR strives to provide wise stewardship, management and protection of our natural resources and environment.

A number of actions will be taken to support the Managing This Land Initiative to ensure our environment and forest and wildlife resources can sustain present and future generations.

1) A large part of the department’s budget, about

$27 million, is spent on the prevention,

detection, monitoring and suppression of wildfires and the management of forest resources in the Northwest Territories.

2) During 2009-2010 the department will be

undertaking a program review of fire operations. One of the key components of this review will include working with communities to assess how the current program defines ‘values at risk’ and how this information is used in decision making.

3) Work will also continue on the development of

new comprehensive legislation that will provide the tools necessary for ensuring the sustainable management of our forest resources.

The development of community wildland fire protection plans fosters improved public safety while making better use of existing fire suppression resources. During the 2009-2010 fiscal year the department will work with the communities of Fort Smith, Fort Providence and Norman Wells to finalize their community protection plans. Tsiigehtchic and Kakisa have also been targeted to develop FireSmart community interface protection plans.

Almost $1 million will be spent to implement actions contained in the NWT Barren Ground Caribou Management Strategy and to develop a NWT Wood Bison Management Strategy and management plans for the Mackenzie, Slave River Lowlands and Nahanni bison herds. Surveys will be conducted this summer to get new population estimates for several caribou herds, including the Bathurst, Cape Bathurst, Bluenose-East and Bluenose-West herds.

Another $1 million has been earmarked for the enhancement of environmental stewardship. This includes developing a new Wildlife Act, implementing the new Species at Risk Act and finalizing the NWT Water Resources Management Strategy and the land use framework.

These initiatives will guide our actions in protecting all species, water supply and quality as well as GNWT participation in land and governance issues. They will also help to increase northern control over land and resources.

Traditional knowledge is a major element of environmental stewardship and resource management in the Northwest Territories. During 2009-2010 the department will implement the ENR Traditional Knowledge Implementation Framework. This will formalize our efforts in incorporating traditional knowledge in our decision making and allow us to better track and celebrate its use. ENR is the lead department for the GNWT in traditional knowledge implementation.

As the success of the Beverage Container Program illustrates, residents are more than willing to participate in programs that will help keep their communities clean. Starting this spring, the department will be distributing reusable bags in NWT communities to encourage people to limit the use of single use plastic and paper bags. A 25-cent environmental fee for single use retail bags will be established by the fall of 2009. Work will begin on investigating the feasibility and approaches to establishing an electronic or e-waste recycling program for the NWT.

The department intends to advance our waste reduction programs during 2009-2010. A number of options are being considered on how best to add milk containers to the Beverage Container Program. In addition, a paper products diversification program will provide funding for communities and businesses to investigate and implement actions to deal with paper.

As Members know, environmental issues are high on the agenda of NWT residents. Creative initiatives, such as the interdepartmental Green Team, being led by ENR, will help to ensure these issues remain front and centre. To this end, the department will continue to work with federal and territorial departments and agencies, aboriginal governments, communities and other stakeholders on these issues.

I am confident the main estimates for Environment and Natural Resources will address many of the concerns residents have about protecting our environment for present and future generations.

Mr. Chair, I would like to thank the Members of the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure for their comments and suggestions during the review of the department’s business plan.

I look forward to the committee’s comments today and I am prepared to answer any questions Members may have. Mahsi cho.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. At this time, I would like to ask the Minister if he will be bringing in any witnesses.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree the Minister brings in his witnesses?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses in. For the record, Mr. Minister, can you introduce your witnesses?

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me Gary Bohnet, deputy minister of Environment and Natural Resources, and Mr. Jeffrey Dalley, the director of finance and administration, shared services, for ENR and ITI. Thank you.