This is page numbers 2759 - 2820 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Okay, we’ll move along to page 10-19, activity summary. Mr. Hawkins.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of questions on page 10-19. The first one is education authority contributions. Mr. Chairman, I’m just trying to get a sense. In the city of Yellowknife, if I understand it correctly, we’re the only ones that pay school tax. Is that a normal practice to top up the extra funding that other communities don’t, that don’t pay school taxes? I’m referring to the communities that have property tax issues, such as Fort Smith, Hay River and I think Simpson and Inuvik, but what formula do they use in the those communities to fund their schools that they don’t use in Yellowknife?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Devitt.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

Mr. Chair, we fund all schools under a similar formula, but in the case of Yellowknife we fund approximately 80 percent and the remainder is made up through the collection of education or school taxes. I’d also point out that in other communities, this government does collect school taxes as well, but it’s not part of the school funding. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

By what analysis has this provided us an independent position to say our students are funded 80 percent less, but the local taxes pick up that difference? Is there a formula or how do you base that as a reasonable fact to work and operate under? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

Mr. Chair, originally it came from a K-9 formula at 75 percent and high school at 100 percent. I’m not absolutely sure where the 75 percent came from. It’s been around for probably over 30 years, maybe over 40, but I can say that the amount of taxes collected in Yellowknife has been more than sufficient to make up the difference. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Just because it’s been around for a while doesn’t necessarily make it right. I seem to recall that for a millennium people believed the

world was flat. That didn’t make it right. So is there any going-forward analysis on this to make sure that the City of Yellowknife is collecting their share of school taxes on the basis and the principle of the government? What contribution does the City of Yellowknife get for doing this process for the Department of Education in that regard, and when is the next time you’re going to take an analysis of this to make sure it’s being done in a fair and reasonable way?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Devitt

Mr. Chair, I can’t answer the question specifically in terms of the administration by the City of Yellowknife, although I understand the property taxes, as I said, are collected in all communities. We have reviewed the formula over a number of years and, as I mentioned, we did look at the amount contributed by the City of Yellowknife. At the time we reviewed it, it exceeded the difference between the funding formula amount at 100 percent and the amount that we deduct for taxes. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Chairman, could I get a copy of this policy that they must be operating under and as well as the information I think Mr. Devitt referred to as some review had taken place sometime? So there must be some paperwork attached to that analysis. Can I request a copy be sent to my office? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Lafferty.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mr. Chair, certainly we can provide a copy of the policy that we have in place to all Members. Mahsi.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. That would be great if you could send it to all Members. Mr. Hawkins.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. By no means, if anyone else wants to read it they’re certainly welcome. Mr. Chairman, I won’t get into the mill rate question, obviously that’s a MACA issue, it’s asking questions outside of the city of Yellowknife. The next question I’d go to is the Early Childhood Program and rather than spending a lot of air time today, would the Minister commit to give me a breakdown of what child programs are offered under this? I assume they have some paper form that they could supply me, as well as any other Member obviously if they’re interested or the Minister so chooses, rather than spending a lot of time going through each and every one and I’m trying to write them all down. Can you do that? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Lafferty.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. Certainly we can do that. There’s a variety of committees that get sponsorship through this area, so we’ll certainly provide that to all Members. Mahsi.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Just one last area at this time. The Healthy Child Initiative, if I could get the same type of information as what that represents and the full breakout as possible, again, including that one and of course the same point stands, as full a breakout as possible under the Early Childhood Program. So could the Minister extend the same process for Healthy Children Initiative? The reason I raise this is because there are programs here in Yellowknife and the Catholic school runs an Early Childhood Program and a Toy Lending Library. They are significantly challenged by getting enough funding through this. They get some funding through their school authority, but they have to turn more kids away than they can provide space to. I suspect that’s not an unusual problem and it’s a shame that it’s a problem. I wish we had more space than kids can subscribe to and I just want to learn a little more about that, because I think this is an initiative that I certainly would like to see all communities subscribe more to and, I mean, I’m of the belief that all early childhood education should be supplied to all children at the cost of the government to help parents in any way. So rather than debating my concerns and policies here that we should be going forward with, I certainly wouldn’t mind the information and I’m sure a few other Members would like it at the same time. So if the Minister could commit to providing the Healthy Children Initiative information, that will be all on this page for me. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. The Healthy Children Initiative contributions to the community are to provide integrated early intervention services. We do have a list of various communities that are entitled to the program dollars. So we can certainly provide a detailed list to the Members. Mahsi.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I’m wondering about the Early Childhood Program, the $3.111 million, if that’s federal dollars or are those our own GNWT dollars that we’re dedicating there? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Lafferty.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, that is the GNWT funding. Mahsi.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I also notice that there’s a $200,000 decrease there. Perhaps that’s the same as the earlier $200,000, but I’m wondering if the Minister can provide the reasoning for that decrease. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

That’s the same as what we talked about earlier, the decrease in the funding from $1 million to $800,000. Mahsi.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Do we know how many new child care centres or family day homes started up last year with that support? Thank you.