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Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 14-13, activity summary, directorate, operations expenditure summary, $4.160 million.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 14-14, information item, directorate, active positions.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 14-17, activity summary, planning and coordination, operations expenditure summary, $5.850 million. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’ve got a couple of questions here. I’m just looking down at the narrative here on page 16, and I see the land use planning and sustainability unit, the land use sustainability unit, the land use planning unit. That’s three different sections or divisions or whatever.

The land use planning and sustainability unit and then we have the land use sustainability, then we have land use planning. There’s something that is just mind warping about this. Do we actually have, like, a manager or a director or something in each of these units and why the heck don’t we get rid of one of them or two of them? Get rid of two of them. I think this might go towards Mr. Dolynny’s question.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Deputy Minister Warren.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Warren

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is actually meant to be like how we’re accounting for the expenditures and not the organization. The organization is headed by a single director which has three managers under it. The management units are one of land use sustainability, a branch related to project assessment, and a branch related to land use planning, so one director with three managers.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Warren. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did look back at the organizational chart here, and again, I’d say there’s room for some efficiencies. I’m a big proponent of sustainably, I’m sure the Minister knows, and the land use planning, but just in terms of the use of our positions, I’m a bit perplexed here, although you can subtly define the differences between them. I bet the coordination, I bet the results would be a lot better if you combine them in terms of effectiveness and efficiency, but I’ll leave that to the Minister. I’ll throw that out there as maybe that’s something more that we can chat about during a briefing on this new department as we get close to that time.

On the land use planning whatever it’s called, section, I see government-led land use planning initiatives in the Wek’eezhii Inuvialuit Settlement Region or the South Slave in the last sentence there. Rather than Wek’eezhii, do we mean Tlicho there? Sorry, Akaitcho, because Wek’eezhii seems like it would be covered by the Tlicho which has their own land use plan for their region. I’m just wondering again. I want to make sure we’re well organized there.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister McLeod.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thanks, Mr. Chair. The Member is correct. We’ll have to make that change and put Tlicho.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Finally, just on the project assessment branch, I think this follows up a little bit on our original discussion here earlier today. Coordinates interdepartmental participation and

environmental assessment processes and, eventually, and consensus building. Again, I thought each Minister was going to have and retain their own perspectives here, but this seems to mean that there’s going to be one piece of input that’s a consensus, so I’m just wondering what exactly that means in this process.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Deputy Minister Warren.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Warren

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The difference here is it’s building consensus on how to feed into the decision-making process, not having a consensus decision. I know that it’s a fine point, but that’s what it is here. This is collecting the information and building consensus amongst the responsible Ministers as you feed into the process, and then the final decision that is made is a singular decision. That’s what we’re coordinating, the feeding into the process to aid with making an effective decision by whichever responsible Minister we’d be feeding into.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Warren. Committee, we’re on page 14-17, activity summary, planning and coordination, operations expenditure summary, $5.850 million.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 14-18, activity summary, planning and coordination, grants and contributions, $680,000. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I see contributions for Aboriginal groups for consultation and supportive decisions on disposition of lands and again for Aboriginal groups in North Slave and South Slave regions supportive land use planning processes. Obviously, we need to be consulting with other people that are not Aboriginal or don’t have Aboriginal treaty rights. Where is the budget to support consultation in those areas? Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Deputy Minister Warren.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Warren

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, it’s kind of the nuance of the wording. This is to provide a contribution to allow people to participate in the consultation process. We will consult with others through our staff members, with members of the public. It is encompassed in doing land use planning or doing project assessment and others. We would consult out, but this is to allow them to provide feedback to Aboriginal governments specifically related to their Aboriginal rights to be able to feed into the process.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Warren. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I disagree. I’m talking about exactly the same thing. I’m talking about funding those without Aboriginal treaty rights so that they have the ability to feed into the process exactly as

this is being done for Aboriginal groups. In fact, one of the difficulties with our process, environmental review processes, for example, and other processes, such as the proposed Intergovernmental Council and so on, is the lack of recognition of the need for a budget in this area.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister McLeod.