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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Premier in follow-up to my Member’s statement today. The Premier is aware of all the ways the residents of the NWT have expressed their grave concerns about fracking, the impacts of fracking and the need for thorough and inclusive review as so many jurisdictions are doing.

This government has devolved authorities to give Northerners more voice, according to the Premier, yet they are clearly being stifled by our own government who refuses to hear them.

Given the failure to penetrate this government’s comprehension to date, what will the Premier do to show that we are not as colonial as the evidence would suggest, that Northerners do indeed have a voice and that their call for review will be heard? Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sustainable economic development is a priority for the Government of the Northwest Territories. With devolution, as the Member points out, our Government of the Northwest Territories is taking on a greater role in creating our future and guiding the Northwest Territories economy. We strive for balanced development where we have development while protecting the environment.

In the North the regulatory system flows from land claim agreements with land and water boards, with representatives of the federal, territorial and Aboriginal governments tasked with making decisions on behalf of Northwest Territories residents.

As we’ve said many times, we will be coming out with draft regulations that will deal with oil and gas that will be available for public input and it will be circulated widely. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That certainly confirms that Northerners’ voices are not being heard. According to an EKOS poll last week, 70 percent of Canadians, regardless of political affiliation, support a fracking moratorium “until it is scientifically proven to be safe.” Significant numbers of Northerners want the same thing, or at least a comprehensive review. GNWT departments have authority because the MVRMA calls for an environmental review if there “might be public concern.”

What expression from the public is required for the Premier to finally listen to the people and ensure a thorough, transparent and public environmental review of fracking which includes the fundamental question “should we accept the risks of fracking,” not just how are we going to frack? Mahsi.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

In the Northwest Territories we are working on fracking regulations which will reflect best practices of the industry. We’ve also inherited guidelines from the National Energy Board which deals with hydraulic fracking. In the Northwest Territories’ regulatory system, the appropriate land and water board conducts preliminary screening and our government respects the decisions of the land and water boards. Also, we continue to assess how we best use our new authorities in the Northwest Territories.

I’m very confident that when the draft regulations come out, it will be discussed widely and we will get substantial input. As far as I know, the Government of the Northwest Territories has not violated Section 125 of the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. Thank you.

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

There are provisions made, not as a matter of respect, by these organizations, such as land and water boards, for the Government of the Northwest Territories departments to call for environmental review. It’s not a matter of respect; in fact that provision is there. We can use it anytime we want.

Mark Carney, ex-governor of the Bank of Canada and current governor of the Bank of England, recently stated at a seminar at the World Bank that fossil fuel companies cannot burn their existing reserves of oil and gas if the oil is to avoid catastrophic climate change. We know what this means for our families – it’s happening now – and our children and what this means around the globe to people who do not have all the privileges that we have.

Exploitation of ever more fossil fuels endangers the people, land and water of the Northwest Territories. The recent pullout of industry from the Sahtu for a year or more provides time for thoughtful review. On what basis does this government presume they can do what nobody else has done? Studies come in every day proving impacts; frack without significant and unpredicted indeed would never happen impacts. How can we do this and thus refuse a public review? What an assumption. What a presumption, Mr. Speaker.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

I didn’t hear a question there, but I will respond in kind. In our opinion, the Sahtu Land and Water Board dealt with the application. There is no drilling going on anywhere in the Northwest Territories right now. We as a government are developing draft oil and gas regulations that will be put to the public early in the new year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley.

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess the public will not hear what our presumption is, the basis for our presumption that we can do everything right. The Premier mentioned best practices that we subscribe to. Let’s just look at what best practices have gotten other jurisdictions. California’s pristine aquifers have recently been done in by produced water that supposedly could never enter their portable aquifers that they relied on. Studies now prove that supposedly cleaner fuels produced by fracking like gas and liquid natural gas, which the Premier is pushing for all our communities, have greenhouse gas emissions as bad as or worse than coal. New information is amassing daily.

For my last question, Mr. Speaker, I have to ask this on behalf of the people of the Northwest Territories. Why? Why is this government afraid to conduct the required review? The Premier, in his statement today, said it’s not the money. So why are we saying no to our people when so many jurisdictions are realizing the necessity for a reasonable look at the controversial practice of fracking? Mahsi.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

When you talk to the industry where bids were accepted for work in the Sahtu that have decided to work elsewhere, when we talked to the industry, they indicated they were collecting baseline information. So if they ever decide to come back north, they will have necessary baseline information that will reflect the best practices of drilling and that before they actually do the drilling, in this case we’re looking at trying to determine the size of the oil and gas reserves that are there, that they will have all the necessary information when and if they do decide to come back. Right now there is no drilling going on anywhere in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Menicoche.

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier in the House I was speaking about the need for the community of Trout Lake and the growing student population about working towards getting a new stand-alone school. The plan now is to renovate the existing community hall.

I would like to ask the Minister exactly what renovations are being planned to the facility in Trout Lake. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. With respect to Trout Lake school, there’s been a review undertaken, part of the review of the small community schools. The Charles Tetso School has resulted in a recommendation for renovation and also additional construction, research and support space for the students and also the staff population. That is the proposed plan right now for construction within the community of Trout Lake.

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

It certainly addresses the short-term need for the schooling situation in Trout Lake. However, the chief, council and residents are afraid of losing their community hall space. They use that same facility six days a week to do their mental health and wellness training when in the community.

I would like to know the long-term plan. Will the Minister move towards a stand-alone school for the community of Trout Lake? Thank you.

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

In June of 2013, I, along with Minister Beaulieu, Mr. Menicoche and Deh Cho Divisional Education Council and my departmental staff visited the community and the school to have a visual of the reality of what Members have referred to in this House over the years. Due to that fact, there is a planning study that is on the way in 2014-2015 to deal with the part of the long-term plan that the Member is alluding to. We’ve identified a short-term plan to initiate a renovation within the school for additional space that is required, but there is a plan in place where we had a site visit in 2014 and I am working very closely with Public Works and Services, Mr. Beaulieu, on developing project brief that would be used to acquire a schematic design for completion in October 2014. That is the overall goal. Mahsi.

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Something was missed and they weren’t aware of the type and extent of the renovations and I think there’s even an addition. The chief and council weren’t informed. I’m not too sure why, but when I informed them that renovations were being done, they were saying we saw some people over there making assessments and that kind of stuff.

The Minister also spoke about a planning study. Is this part and parcel? Was there a team in there to look at the renovations and a separate team actually doing the planning study? Thank you.

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Part of the long-term needs of the school and also the community is to develop a planning study. That is part of the process of capital projects that will be identified by each department. So, we need to have a planning study in place and this is a part of May 2014 when my staff visited the community. That’s part of the preliminary discussions that they need to have with the community based on their needs and analysis. So yes, that is part of the community visits that they initiated and there will be opportunities for community members to provide their input as well. Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche.

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to hear about moving forward and towards getting a new stand-alone school into the capital projects.

I’d just like to know about the planning study, one that came up, back in Trout Lake and to involve the community and even the whole community, because the community is a close-knit community and they all like to make decisions together. Thank you.

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi. We do appreciate the leadership’s input into the design of the planning studies. So, those are discussions that we are currently having.

As I stated, my understanding is that October 2014, this month, it will be completed as part of our work with Public Works and Services and my Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the project brief that’s been discussed with both departments, along with the leadership’s input. So we’ll take those into consideration as well. Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The Member for Deh Cho, Mr. Nadli.

Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources. Because of the policy in terms of values at risk where forest fires were started in remote locations and that don’t pose any danger to human lives or infrastructure or buildings of that nature, they’re left to burn. This summer, well, the beginning of September, I had the opportunity to travel down the Dempster to Trout River and we came across a fire that was just smoldering across Morrisey Creek, and at the same time towards Bouvier Creek there was another fire that was just smoldering and wasn’t being actioned.

So my question for the Minister is: Many people are concerned that the fires will continue to smolder under the muskeg this winter and reignite in the spring. Can the Minister comment on how likely that is to happen? Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Minister of ENR, Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can’t quantify how widely it happens, but I do agree with the Member and I’ve seen it myself where there’s smoke coming through the snowbanks even on a drive from Fort Smith to Hay River where there’s been fires. So we know it happens and we’ve mapped the burned areas, but I can’t quantify it to the extent the Member is asking.