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Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Speaker Jacobson. Mr. Mercer and Mr. Ouellette, welcome to the Chamber again.

Committee, as we agreed upon earlier with convention, we will not do any opening comments. We’ll go directly to general comments. Does

committee agree that there are no general comments and we can proceed to detail?

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Committee, we will defer page 7 until consideration of activities. Committee, page 8, Legislative Assembly, Office of the Clerk. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just had one question. I see there was quite an increase from our capital estimates last year, I guess, the current year that we’re in, ’14-15, from the figure presented, $329,000 up to almost double, and I’m just wondering if I can get an explanation of what accounts for the increase from $329,000 to $657,000 there.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Speaker Jacobson.

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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chair. For capital funding for this year, the extra $150,000 is for the accessibility betterments of our building here at the Assembly for access for people with disabilities. It’s in a two-year plan that we’re doing, and the betterments that we’re finishing off this year would make it accessible for the people with disabilities to have full access to the building.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

So that difference between the $329,000 and $657,000 was essentially accounted for by the additional commitments to making the building accessible to those with disabilities as I understand it. That’s all I had then.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. I’ll take that as a comment. Committee, again, page 8, Legislative Assembly, Office of the Clerk, infrastructure investments, $150,000. Does committee agree?

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. If I can get you to turn to page 7, Legislative Assembly, total infrastructure investments, $150,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Does committee agree we have concluded consideration of the Legislative Assembly?

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. I’d like to thank Speaker Jacobson, Mr. Mercer and Mr. Ouellette for joining us today. If I could get the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort our witnesses out of the Chamber.

Committee, as agreed upon earlier today, we’re going to continue on. We’re going to be doing Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2014-2015. This is Tabled Document 155-17(5). With that, we’ll go to the

Minister for opening remarks. Minister of Finance, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I am here to present Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2014-2015. This document outlines an increase of $63.994 million in operations expenditures for the 2014-2015 fiscal year.

The more significant items included in the supplementary estimates are:

1. $47.4 million for the Department of Environment

and Natural Resources related to two special warrants that were approved to address costs of fire suppression during the extreme fire season this summer;

2. $20 million for the Department of Finance to

mitigate the impact of extreme low water conditions on the Snare Hydro System on NWT residents’ power costs; and

3.

$770,000 for Education, Culture and Employment to fund startup costs associated with the implementation of Junior Kindergarten and for incremental costs associated with the implementation of the Education Renewal and Innovation Action Plan.

I am prepared to review the supplementary estimates document.

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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Minister Miltenberger, do you have witnesses you’d like to bring into the House?

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, I do, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Sergeant-at-Arms, if you could please escort the witnesses into the House. Before we do that, sorry, does committee agree?

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. Sergeant-at-Arms, if you could please escort the witnesses in.

Minister Miltenberger, if you could introduce your witnesses to the House, please.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me Deputy Minister Mike Aumond and the director of the Management Board Secretariat, Olin Lovely. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Lovely and Mr. Aumond, welcome to the House again this evening. With that, we’ll proceed with general comments. Mr. Bouchard.

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Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess I just have some concerns and I think most of them have to do with the accelerated activity in the Tuk to Inuvik highway. Oh, this is in operations. Sorry. I thought we were on capital. Sorry. Go ahead.

Committee Motion 92-17(5): Retention Of Amphibious Firefighting Aircraft And Expanded Training And Deployment Of Community Firefighters, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. Yes, we are on Operations Expenditures, No. 2. I’ll open the floor again to general comments. I have Mr. Bromley.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I see this supp includes a special warrant, which I appreciate. I think this is an important opportunity, obviously, for us to be commenting on special warrants when they come forward in supps like this. It’s an important opportunity for Members of this House to share their perspectives, and special warrants, as we know, are expenditures that are made on an emergency basis typically almost by definition when it has to be done and we really can’t afford to go through the process of approval at the time, but it does allow a retrospective look at things and public discussion, especially as in this one where we have amounts like $47 million-plus.

I note that there are at least two very significant expenditures that were totally unexpected when we started the year. Obviously, an amazing fire season, very costly and certainly extensive. So we’re dealing with a supp here of $47 million to deal with that, $47.4 million. That’s an unexpected amount, and given that we fight tooth and nail to come up with $15 million or $18 million for new initiatives every year, that does put that $47 million… That’s about three years of special initiatives, new initiative money gone up in smoke.

Then, of course, there’s the $20 million, which we heard about earlier today, the discussion about the complete lack of consultation with Members. Again, an unexpected cost that we should have had input on, but a unilateral decision by Cabinet to do that. Again, significant decision without being in line with our consensus government principles, but an unexpected cost. So now we’re dealing with this supp in this fiscal year or the current fiscal year with $67.4 million of unexpected expenditures. Now, that’s a very significant amount of money at any point in our history, but particularly given our current fiscal status. We’re trying to bump up our borrowing limits wherever we can by hundreds of millions of dollars. The impact of this, of course, will be felt reverberating through the 18th Assembly and

this is even before we get to supps on the capital expenditures.

So I guess there’s nothing we can do about forest fires other than deal with climate change to try to get that sort of thing in line. I don’t think we’ve been doing a good job on that front. It does speak to that sort of thing even though we’re here to deal with dollars. What the dollars reflect is whether or not we’re doing a good job on other fronts. With climate change, of course, that reflects on governments around the world. We’re in line in terms of not dealing with it, despite our opportunity to play a real leadership role here. Then, of course, there’s the $20 million without any discussion about how we

might mitigate those impacts through wiser expenditures.

I just wanted to note my concerns in case the Minister wasn’t aware of those. I’m sure he was, but I think it’s important for the public that in fact this government is throwing around, really, by the time we’re done here, hundreds of millions of dollars in unexpected costs and this is definitely going to be affecting our fiscal status and the 18th Assembly

and so on. I’m not going to be proud walking out the door if I don’t return next term and leave the 18th Assembly with some of the things that I see coming down the pike because of these sorts of decisions.

I’ll leave it at that as general comments. Thank you.