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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Mr. Chairman, these are active files ongoing, so there would be various duties offered to accommodate individuals that wish

to be accommodated by modified duties, hours, looking at worksites and equipment, providing alternate positions and/or bundling existing duties, so trying to find suitable accommodation for individuals. If we have come to a complete impasse, the file at this time is remaining open and we are continuing to attempt to accommodate. I don’t know what other alternatives would be, aside from what we can do to accommodate an individual. At some point we provide all of the accommodations that we can, and if we’re unable to successfully accommodate the person to their satisfaction, then I suppose the only alternative would be for the individuals to maybe consider leaving the government. I really don’t know what else to add other than trying every type of accommodation that we can to try to accommodate our staff.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister and I appreciate that the department does everything they can. I think that the department where the employee is returning to work probably also does everything they can, but what I thought I heard the Minister say was, when push comes to shove, if I as an employee can’t be accommodated, then sort of the only thing that’s left is for me to quit my job or to be pushed out of my job. I don’t think that’s the intention of the government, but that’s kind of what I’m hearing.

There must be some avenue, and maybe if it’s even if the Minister says that the person has to go to Human Rights to appeal, but there must be some avenue that the employee and/or the employer can take to try and solve this impasse, even if it’s to go to mediation or arbitration of some sort. So is there something like that when things get really bad? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

The duties to accommodate would be offers from government in an attempt to accommodate the employee. All of the things I’ve mentioned, such as duties, hours, worksite, other jobs, other positions, bundling existing duties to create a position in an attempt to accommodate. If after that the employee continues to refuse all of the accommodations, then I don’t know what else we can do, but maybe I can ask the deputy minister to see if I have missed anything on anything further that we can do to try to accommodate an employee.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu. Ms. Bassi-Kellett.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bassi-Kellett

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. As the Minister said, we go to great lengths when we do have an employee who we wish to accommodate and it’s worth noting that accommodations can range quite extensively. It can be everything from a temporary accommodation for an employee who has broken their leg and they’re in a cast and they need something for the duration

of time they’re in a cast, to something that’s quite a lot more substantive and it may indeed even be invisible to the eye, for example, addictions.

What we find, as well, is that we work to the point, as is outlined in our Duty to Accommodate Injury and Disability Policy, to the point of undue hardship and as an employer the size of the GNWT it’s not easy, we go to great lengths before we say we’ve reached undue hardship when it comes to accommodating one employee. So we’ve done things as extensive as looking at opportunities to be able to take work that we were contracting out to see if we could bundle that for employees to make it very workable for them.

Ultimately, at the end of the day, what we want to do is get the employee back to work, get them feeling like they are able to work to the extent that they are physically and mentally able to do, we want them back in the workforce, we want that degree of normalcy for them. We work very hard to find an option that’s going to work for them. If at the end of the day the options that we put forward for accommodation are things that the employee says no, I don’t want that, I don’t think that’s going to work for me – and again, we’re checking with their physician as appropriate, as well, and working with them very closely – if an employee says no, that’s not workable, we do work to exhaust every one of the options that we’ve put before them. If they say no, then we recognize that we’ve done as much as we can and we do look to the employee then to determine what they would like to do for the next steps. Thank you very much.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bassi-Kellett. Committee, we’re on 3-27, Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My first question is on the Safe Disclosure Policy. I know there was an intent to move that into some form of whistleblower legislation after sort of vetting it for a year or two. I’m not sure that it’s actually had much experience in the vetting realm, but is the intent still to move that to legislation?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Beaulieu.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, it is.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I’m sure I’ll find out soon when that will be happening.

In the process of reorganizing divisions or departments or sections or whatever, positions sometimes get deleted within the government, and I’m concerned about a situation where an employee in a position might be assured one day that they’re secure and then with an about-face by the government their position is designated as affected shortly thereafter. Are there standards that must be met here, and what recourse does an employee

have when their employer goes back on their word such as in such a situation?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Just to let the Member know that we’re planning on introducing safe disclosure legislation in October of 2014. With the Staff Retention Policy, I’ll have the deputy minister provide more detail on the last comment by the Member.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu. Ms. Bassi-Kellett.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bassi-Kellett

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. The point the Member raises about the indeterminate nature of work, certainly departments go through exercises, if they must, to be able to look at being as streamlined and as refined and as efficient as possible in meeting the mandate of the department itself. At times that may require a reorganization, but we work very, very hard to minimize the impact on employees. We’re not interested overall in really looking at having adverse effect on employees.

In the event that there is a reorganization that will impact an employee in the position that they’re in, as the Minister mentioned, the Staff Retention Policy kicks in, which is really our commitment to making sure that we will look first of all in that employee’s department and then, secondly, across government overall to find a suitable place for any employee who is impacted, whose position may be impacted and so that we can keep those people within the public service. We value the knowledge that they have, the experience they have, and it’s not something we do as an employer to be looking around to be getting rid of people. When there are organizational design reasons for having to reorganize or re-describe how work is done, it’s very important for us to be able to ensure that we have the Staff Retention Policy to give employees that sense of comfort that there is a transfer and process that will be followed that will really seek to place them elsewhere in the organization. Thank you very much.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bassi-Kellett. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks for that response and the additional from the Minister. I’m aware of this Staff Retention Policy and the situation described by the deputy minister. There is, however, some communications that occur before officially deleting positions, and perhaps there needs to be a bit of a clarity with supervisory employees that they should not be saying things that they can’t keep to if the government decides to get rid of positions. So I’ll just leave that as a comment.

My last question, I see expense here is up 30-some percent over the last couple of years, up a little bit again this year from last year. I’m wondering: what

has engendered this increase in expenditures for this division? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Beaulieu.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll have the deputy minister respond to that.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Ms. Bassi-Kellett.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bassi-Kellett

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. To be very brief about this, the difference between 2014-15 proposed estimates and ’13-14 really is showing an increase in the compensation and benefits for the collective bargaining increases that are across the board for our entire public service. When we go back to the increase, when we look back to the 2012-13 actuals, we had done some internal reorganization at that point in time to move positions that support collective bargaining from our policy shop into labour relations when we established the division of labour relations at that time.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bassi-Kellett. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks, Mr. Chair. That certainly explains it. I recall now. Thanks for that reminder. I see we’re nearing the end here. Was there a plan to move some of the department’s staff and programs to the Department of Finance this year or am I thinking of another department? My memory is stretching. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Beaulieu.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Yes, financial shared services position of 78 positions were moved from Human Resources to Finance for the new financial shared services, and the main estimates here are reflected in a way that in 2013-14, 2012, even though those positions had actually sat there, it would show a tremendous drop in the positions, so those positions are taken off right across the board, and so this shows a true reflection of what we’re discussing, but yes, 78 positions were moved to financial shared services.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks for that explanation. That was my impression, and I was perplexed as to why I wasn’t seeing that drop here, and I wonder whether I’ll see an increase in Finance or whether they will just assume that it’s always been there as well. As long as we have some clarity at some point here on the shifts that are happening, but perhaps that’s a Department of Finance question. That’s all I had.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Finance will be doing the same thing. To show a true reflection of what the shift is, they will be putting the positions in previous years, so it wouldn’t show a sharp increase in positions there as well.