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Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Next on my list I have Mr. Dolynny.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sometimes in this role we become quite critical in design. Unfortunately, that’s part of our role as legislators and part of our role in going through budget as we are doing before the House.

It’s also an opportunity, and I’ve said this many times, when I see something that’s going well, I pay credence to that as well. This is one of those areas. I believe there has been significant improvement, and we’ve echoed that in the tabling of the public

accounts. I really want to echo the fact that this was a lot of work to change a mindset of trying to get numbers, analysis of numbers, financial numbers, the reporting aspects in time to work with the Auditor General of Canada. We’ve seen a remarkable improvement in the last two years since we rekindled the public accounts program.

I wanted to make sure I went on record because sometimes that gets missed. For the record, there are no questions here, Mr. Chair. This is a classic example of when a department works with committee, we can get great things done. That’s what I want to leave you with. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny, for that good news. Mr. Miltenberger, would you like to respond to that?

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

On behalf of the Department of Finance and the office of the comptroller general, I would like to thank the Member for his accolades and kind words in this House and on the record. As he’s indicated, good work was done, an enormous amount of work by all parties. I just thank the Member. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Committee, we are on page 5-25, activity summary, office of the comptroller general, operations expenditure summary, $49.567 million. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to follow up. I did find the document I was referencing. It wasn’t the Minister’s words, it was the program review office had looked at the payroll tax compliance and in a couple of reports they made reference to that. The first one, October 30, 2012, they said: “Growth in taxes” meaning payroll taxes here, “has not kept pace with growth in non-resident income. Suggestions: we may not be achieving desired results, may not be operating optimally, may require increased resources.” Perhaps that’s partly the compliance officer that Mr. Kalgutkar referred to.

In the second reference, February 27, 2013, about a year ago, they gave this issue a high score, meaning it really should be given some priority. It was categorized for consideration in the 2014-15 work plan which is under discussion today through the budget. I don’t have an official citation here, but is there any intent to look at the compliance issues that we seem to be hearing about with collection of payroll tax? Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don’t actually recall those reports the Member is referring to, so I’ll have to go back and dig up that information for him. Currently, the office is compiling information to develop its 2014-15 work

plan which it will share with committee early in the new fiscal year. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That’s fine. Thanks very much. Perhaps the Minister’s discussion paper on that developed in consultation with the Regular Members could be part of that. That’s all I had. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley.Committee, we are on page 12-25, activity summary, office of the comptroller general, operations expenditure summary, $49.567 million.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-26, activity summary, office of the comptroller general, grants and contributions, $11.085 million. Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I need to ask a question here with regard to the Power Subsidy Program and the subsidy that we are paying out. I’ll start by saying I notice a doubling of the amount between our actuals in 2012-13 to what we estimated in this current budget year and the budget year we are now discussing. So why is there such a large increase from actuals to estimates? Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As the Member would recall when we went to the rate zones, demand on the program has dropped significantly. The utilization of the program has not been as high as we anticipated because of that change.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

So that begs the question if our actuals are down that much, why are we estimating $11 million instead of $6 million? Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

I believe this is the budget that was in place prior to the rate zone change. We might have to go back and look at the magnitude of the budget that’s in place now. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

You mean we might have a slush fund to play with. That’s a humorous comment, Mr. Chair.

My question has to do with the increase in our power rates and with consumers not being subsidized anymore, because we’ve been subsidizing, I think, 7 percent, 7 percent, 7 percent, 5 percent. Is there a relationship between the loss of that subsidy on our power rates or the increase on our power rates and will there be a corresponding increase on this Power Subsidy Program because our residents are going to be paying the full rate now? Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

It’s hard to predict that right now, but we wouldn’t anticipate to have that much of an impact on this budget. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Committee, we’re on page 5-26, activity summary, office of the comptroller general, grants and contributions, $11.058 million. I’ll read that number again, $11.085 million.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-27, information item, office of the comptroller general, active positions. Any questions?

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-29, activity summary, office of the chief information officer, operations expenditure summary, $2.260 million.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.