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Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Sorry, committee, $2.460 million.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-30, office of the chief information officer, grants and contributions, $50,000.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-31, information item, office of the chief information officer, active positions. Are there any questions?

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-33, activity summary, Bureau of Statistics, operations expenditure summary, $1.042 million. Mr. Hawkins.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Chair, I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this, but I do want to say that I highly value the Bureau of Statistics. I find that the information they produce is very good. I don’t find it is a consumable maybe the general public grabs upon. It’s usually for those folks like academics and whatnot and those researchers and boring MLAs that are trying to find a crowbar to complain about government. With that said, I’m very grateful.

I just want to put on the stats that that is a shop burrowed into the hollows of government. It does some good work. I just want to thank them for the information they produce. This area never gets any recognition at all. It’s probably for a good reason they don’t tend to get a lot of criticism either. I said for a good reason because they do a good job.

That said, I do appreciate the work they do. I just want to make a point on the record. I’m really glad they keep the information up to date, especially when I remind the McLeod government about the detail. I just wanted to put that out there.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Miltenberger, do you accept that compliment?

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I do, on behalf of the employees that labour long and hard. We

can’t manage or we can’t count, as we say, in many areas and this is one of those, so thank you on their behalf.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Committee, we are on page 5-33, activity summary, Bureau of Statistics, operations expenditure summary, $1.042 million.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-34, information item, Bureau of Statistics, active positions. Are there any questions?

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-36, information item, Liquor Revolving Fund. Are there any questions? Mr. Hawkins.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This section isn’t necessarily going to get a compliment. It may be a little more of a link. It is not necessarily criticism either, but what I’m finding here is there are some real concerns about the modernization of our present Liquor Act. Recently I brought some concerns to the Minister of Finance about some problems that we’ve been having in interpretation and certainly in the modernization. Does the Minister see any sort of public dialogue on potentially modernizing some of our liquor laws? As such, we have to sort of balance out what is real and modern and what is realistic.

What we are seeing in the rise, for example in the city of Yellowknife, I know that many bars are asking for Sunday openings and extending the sales period. Recently there was an experience where I saw a bit of an anomaly in one of the liquor laws. I brought it to the attention of the Finance Minister to what that detail is. It doesn’t really matter as much, but what we are noticing are quirks as to what I would like to say is sort of a modernization.

I know that I was here during the Liquor Act rewrite a few years ago. I think the work there at the time is certainly good, but that said, does the Finance Minister see any future or I should say near future discussion about some of the rules around these types of things? I know that the general administration has been bequeathed down to the city so they can make some rules, but I’m talking about some broader opportunities. I have heard that there might be some things on the horizon. If there are, maybe the Minister can speak to that type of policy development under this area. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Miltenberger.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chair, we are always interested and prepared to have discussions with committee. If it is on an area such as this, yes, we are prepared to have a discussion

about concerns, next steps, options, but I would ask Mr. Koe if he wanted to speak to some of the things on the drawing board in terms of addressing some concerns that we are dealing with, and we do get a considerable and fairly steady stream of issues being raised.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Mr. Koe.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
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Koe

Mr. Chair, as due course of business, we do get regular requests from MLAs to take a look at parts of the Liquor Act. We do follow those up to see if those would be regulatory changes or act changes. Some items we have on the table right now are looking at manufacturing retail outlets, you brews, and the proposal of the motion on enforcement of the Liquor Act by municipal enforcement officers. We are doing the research on that through regulations and act and see how best we can look to compromise some proposals. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Mr. Hawkins.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Chair, I appreciate Mr. Koe’s answer on that. I will frame this question on two points. What type of public dialogue do you draw out there? I don’t see any ads in this particular area saying, are liquor laws meeting our needs? Really, I think they are individual ones. Recently we changed concerns in the Sahtu to reflect what is needed and demanded there. Rightly or wrongly, it seemed like the right thing to do and certainly the right thing to support, as far as I was concerned, because we were responding to community area needs, certainly people’s needs.

What type of outreach does this area, division, do in sort of staying in contact with what vendors as well as the public find are important and certainly relevant to the localized area? The simple example I would provide to make sure it is clear and relevant is maybe Sunday openings make sense in Yellowknife. It might not make sense somewhere else. That type of dialogue. I am talking about allowing it in general as opposed to providing the opportunity for a permit. Right now, you have to permit. You are only allowed so many. I guess that is the type of relationship I am trying to find out how much we do and how we do it. Do we get any dialogue or feedback or relationship built on that? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. We will go to Minister Miltenberger.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chair, we deal with issues and concerns as they are brought to our attention by MLAs, by clients, by vendors. If there is a broad cross-section of impact, we will talk to folks. In terms of what I understand the Member could be suggesting reaching out to have a much broader discussion, restate the readiness to accept invitation to meet with committee. If there is a concern by the committee about issues that require

a broader outreach, then we would be happy to have that discussion with the Member or with the committee. In the meantime, we work at this level out of Hay River, as well, to deal with those issues that are raised on an individual specific basis. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-17(5): Comprehensive Review Of The Program Review Office, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Chair, so the answer is no, but you take inquiries so that is fine. I see an opportunity to continue this dialogue. The example I provided was an example, one that is sort of in the public realm, one that is easily understood that makes sense to people. Whether they agree or disagree is not the issue as opposed to the example to illustrate is important. Fair enough. That is the only question I have at this particular time. Thank you.