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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks to the Minister. Just on the timber permits and licences, I know we’ve signed a recent forest management agreement and the Minister has mentioned that stumpage fees will be modest. With this activity, will there be any likely revenue in this area in the foreseeable future? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Deputy Minister Campbell.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. With the forest management agreements and forest industry evolving here in the Northwest Territories, once operations commence here we expect to see a significant increase in that area for revenues.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, deputy minister. Next on my list I have Mr. Dolynny.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a couple questions on this page here. When it comes to the hunting and fishing licences, we know that there is the Wildlife Act and regulations are pursuant, as well as devolution implementation, as the Minister reminds us here, so how are these two new things that we’re going to be involved with, how does that change how we set hunting and fishing licences and suspected revenues for this fiscal year?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It won’t change what revenues we have projected. We control hunting licences and the federal government controls fishing licences, and there has been no change in fishing licences of any substantive nature for many, many years. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Dolynny.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Mr. Chair, under the Environment Fund net revenue of $150,000, this is a change from last year where we didn’t have an entry in the revised estimates and I’m assuming that the main estimates of $246,000 prevailed.

Can the Minister indicate what took place, why we don’t have a revised estimate and has there been a change in net revenue for the Environment Fund?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Director Magrum.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Magrum

Thank you, Mr. Chair. There was no line in the original previous year’s estimates. This was a requirement to line up our main estimate recording for the public accounts at the end of the year. As we get to the information item later in the mains on the financial statement for the main estimates, this reflects the current year’s surplus projected for the Environment Fund.

There is no revised amount for the ’13-14 Main Estimates because we are expecting an increase in costs. There has been an increase in costs in freight, contractors’ costs, satellite depot contracts, increased staff required for the pilot project with e-waste. In ’14-15 we do project that we will have a surplus because we are going to be retaining a portion of the salvage value at the processing centres, where we currently do not. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Magrum. Mr. Dolynny.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I appreciate the response here. The fees for water and soil analysis, this is a brand new entry here for 2014-2015 at $524,000. How did the department come up with that number? What was their basis and guidelines for $524,000?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This was based on a multi-year average of the figures we got from AANDC. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Are those numbers publicly available? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

If there’s interest to share with committee, we could do that.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I just want to make sure what the fees we’ve got slated for the residents of the

Northwest Territories are indeed in line with what we acquired through AANDC, so again just a baseline. If the department wants to provide a baseline, I’ll definitely welcome it as a Member here, but I’ll leave it up to the Minister to decide.

On the subject of water use fees at $80,000, on what basis did the department set those fees at? Again, is this another number they got from AANDC?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, it’s the same process that was used with AANDC that we had talked about previously. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

So I’ll repeat my last question and add it to this question here. Is there any background information to support anything publicly that’s available that we can actually validate these fees that we’re acquiring here as a territory vis-à-vis what we received from AANDC? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We’ll provide to committee the methodology that was used in the negotiations with AANDC to determine the breakdown of these different line items. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s response on that. Again, these are new entries, so I think we need to get a baseline. What we’re acquiring here as we’re passing this budget, we also have administration services at $32,000, again with no previous history whatsoever. Can the Minister describe what this entry is all about?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Director Magrum.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Magrum

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This item refers to some administrative services that are going to be provided by the Department of Finance, financial shared services. In 2014-15 we’re recording that as revenue from the Environment Fund and then the Department of ENR transfers that amount over to the Department of Finance. Thank you.