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Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Thanks to Mr. Aumond. I guess that’s even more worrisome when we haven’t really heard what this money is going to be used for if we’re going to be using it up in ’14-15, yet I gathered from previous answers that we don’t really know what we’re using it for. That’s a little more concerning.

When would we know what this $10 million is going to be used for?

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister Miltenberger.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. We’ll be reporting through this in the business planning process, and we can provide updates to committee as often as they’d like.

The issue of the trust factor is somewhat worrisome when we’re talking about… We’re spending $1.6 billion. We sit in this House and we lay out the plans, we give our commitments, and then we’re now asked on this particular fund, how can we be trusted to do what we say we’re going to do. Because this is our job and we’re going to be before this Assembly and we’re accountable to the Assembly and we’ll provide you that information.

Plus, we have a deal, a contractual arrangement with the federal government where we have to account for this money according to the agreement that we signed. So I want to assure the Member, her distrust aside, we are people of our word here and we are accountable and we serve before this Assembly at their will.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I think distrust is too strong a word. I think it’s a concern for the accountability of the money. The Minister mentioned the business planning process, but the business plans, we didn’t have business plans for the ’14-15 budget year. The business plans coming up are for ’15-16, and if I understood the comment earlier, it was that this $10 million is going to be spent in this year, ’14-15. I appreciate and accept the offer from the Minister to get reports on how this money is being spent, but for me and other Members to feel like we are adequately monitoring how this money is being spent, we’re kind of being asked to… I agree. We’re being asked to trust you, and I do trust you, but it would be nice to know what sorts of things we’re spending this money on.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The commitment is as we make the expenditures and identify the need, we will provide that information to committee through fiscal updates, through our business planning process, through our supps that we’re going to put this money to use in.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Executive, operations expenditures, directorate, not previously authorized, $10.957 million. Total department, not previously authorized $10.957 million.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Department of Human Resources, operations expenditures, management and recruitment services, not previously authorized, $130,000. Total department, not previously authorized, $130,000.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations, operations expenditures, corporate management, not previously authorized, $6,000. Total department, not previously authorized, $6,000.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Department of Finance, operations expenditures, deputy minister’s office, not previously authorized, $7,000. Total department, not previously authorized, $7,000.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Municipal and Community Affairs, operations expenditures, directorate, not previously authorized, $28,000.

Total department, not previously authorized, $28,000.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Public Works and Services, operations expenditures, directorate, not previously authorized, $177,000, asset management, not previously authorized, $3.6 million. Total department, not previously authorized, $3.777 million. Mr. Dolynny.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I’m just going to zone in on one of the line entries here for the asset management, and that’s under the $2.758 million, which the descriptor indicates funding for costs associated with concluding the demolition of Sir Alexander Mackenzie School in Inuvik. I guess, just so I can understand some of the clarity here, this is now an operational cost, and I believe the original total budget – which it actually appears that this demolition has now dragged on for almost two and a half years, almost three years here – I believe, was around $8.6 million for the complete demolition of the schools in general for the new E3 School.

Can I get some confirmation that this $2.758 million is the final leg of this $8.6 million, and if that’s the case, were we on budget for this full demolition and is the project complete?

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Aumond.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Member is correct. The total costs are $8.6 million and the $2.758 million is part of that, and it does represent the total budget for the project. This money was approved to the Department of Public Works and Services last year for the demolition of their schools and they’re just bringing this back for this fiscal year so that they can complete the demolition of the final school, and it will be done this year.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Mr. Dolynny.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just so that I can get to proper closure of this file, during the demolition phase there was definite anticipation that there was going to be a significant amount of asbestos and contaminated materials. I was led to believe that there was more contaminated material than earlier, I guess, thought of when the demolition commenced and even during the different phases of the demolition process.

My question is that given the budget that we had of the $8.6 million, did that cover all the extra anticipated disposal of asbestos and any other contaminated substances that were known during the demolition phase?

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Minister Miltenberger.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, Madam Chair, it did.

Committee Motion 73-17(5): Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s response. For my final answer, again, I’m looking for closure on this file. There will be no other supplementary asks for any other budgetary lines that we should expect in committee with respect to any type of funding for demolition of these two schools or any other type of repatriation or costs associated with the new E3 School project as a whole asset cost?