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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister McLeod.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. New units, we’re doing 40 replacement units in ’15-16 and we’re doing the 36 market rental units in ’15-16. We will be glad to provide a list to the Members. I believe we have all the locations and everything. We have all the locations, so we’ll provide that list to committee.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

When the Minister says 40 replacements, we’re doing one for one. When he says the Housing Corp is doing 36 market, is that new, new, in the sense of new in a net context? If he could provide that detail.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Member is correct; the 40 are replacement public housing units and the 36 market housing are new units. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

As far as housing investment, what type of money is the Housing Corporation investing into the Territories here, working with private vendors to develop housing initiatives or options for people in the range of $100,000 to $250,000? What I’m really getting at is entry level housing for people to be able to afford to buy, getting out of the apartment building style of living where families want to get out. In this type of ballpark, usually it’s treated as people’s first step into the market world. What type of initiatives is the Housing Corporation partnering in order to target first time homeownership for people?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Chair, we have, through the PATH program – providing assistance to homeowners – and the HELP program. The HELP program is one where we try to transition people out of public housing. They’ll stay in a HELP unit for a couple of years and then if they feel that they would like to be homeowners, they can transition into the PATH program, which is providing assistance to homeowners. They have the option, I think, of purchasing the HELP unit that they’re in and I think they’re given a $10,000 incentive to move into homeownership.

We have $7 million that we have invested into CARE and PATH for 2015-16. We have a breakdown of the numbers of what’s in each program and I will be pleased to provide that to committee. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Chairman, I will be pleased to accept that. The Minister has already mentioned 36 market rental units and he said that’s adding to the 100 market rentals in the smaller communities, which is good. I assume with the 36, would the Minister be able to provide the detail as to where those 100 market rentals are in the smaller communities? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Chair, 36 is year two of our goal of 100 over three years in the $21

million investment. We have locations picked for all of the units this year and the ones that we did last year, and I’d be pleased to provide that information to committee so they’ll know the whereabouts of all the market rental units. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. What’s driving the location of those particular units, the 100 market rentals objective? Are there statistics or surveys being done? Are they working in collaboration with an organization that says we want to hire 10 people but we don’t have 10 homes to put on the ground to either sell them or rent them? What’s driving the direction of where those units will be placed? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Chair, we work closely with the NWT Teachers’ Association. They provided some of the information as to some of the communities that are most challenged as far as housing goes. We relied a lot on some of the information, some advice we got from them. I will have Mr. Stewart add on to that, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Mr. Stewart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to add on, certainly the Teachers’ Association was an important part. We also work with our Department of Human Resources to understand where there were vacancies, for example in communities where there were barriers in the past in terms of being able to recruit people for services in those communities. Then we looked at our own stock in terms of where we may have existing units that are vacant or where there is particularly high demand to help sort of come up with the overall allocation of those 100 units by community. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. Hawkins.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. With that said, do we have any particular market rental units in existence in any of the communities that aren’t being utilized at this particular time? If so, can I get a list of that as well as what the market rents would be charged? I assume a monthly basis for those particular units.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister McLeod.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We will provide a list of… I couldn’t answer offhand if we have any vacant units in the communities, but we can look that up and provide that information. The rents are basically in line with the public housing rents. We try to calculate it along the same line. For example, the monthly rent for a two-bedroom unit would be $1,250 in Trout Lake and $1,410 in Ulukhaktok.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

The Minister had mentioned that there was going to be some new homelessness money going from $325,000 to $855,000. Can I get some detail on what that initiative is specifically targeted at and where we can expect to see it rolled out?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Stewart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. There’s a number of programs we have in terms of the homelessness. I will just quickly go through them. The first ones are obviously the Homelessness Assistance Fund, which is about $125,000 per year and it provides support to individuals who are homeless or at risk of homelessness in terms of getting them out of that circumstance.

We have the Small Community Homelessness Fund which provides support for community organizations that are in our smallest communities that are providing things like soup kitchens as well as food banks, those sorts of activities, and we can provide a list of those that are being funded right now.

We have the Shelter Enhancement Fund, which is $100,000 that’s application-based for existing homelessness shelters to be able to provide support for capital improvements. That’s capital in the sense of the building envelope but also equipment that they may need to have as well.

Then we have the program we introduced last year, the Northern Pathways to Housing, which is about $280,000 in terms of the operation. That’s four, those four pilots on the transition housing in the smaller communities and we’re working with a number of community groups to get those projects started and I think we are getting some good input from a variety of communities.

Then lastly, as was mentioned, we are setting aside $150,000 to implement a Housing First model in Yellowknife and we will work closely with the Community Advisory Board here to come up with the best approach to do that particular project, but our resources would be focused on the infrastructure side of that and we would need to work out some of the processes in terms of identifying potential clients and making sure a variety of services are available.

That’s all of the homelessness funds we have available. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. Hawkins.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Apparently there’s been a housing agreement with the Northwest Territories and the Government of Canada. I wonder if the Minister could provide some detail on that, not just program detail but where we would see some of that initiative and detail roll out on the

ground and where we will see that support. I think there’s a four-year program of money. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister McLeod.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The agreement we signed was for money we get from Canada. We roll that money into many of the programs that we deliver, so through the CARE, PATH and mostly focused on the homeownership side. We utilize some of the money they give us along with the money we contribute and that goes towards many of the programs we offer. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Noting the clock, I will rise and report progress. Thank you, Mr. Minister, and thanks to your witnesses. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses out of the Chamber.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Can I have the report of Committee of the Whole, Mr. Bouchard?