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Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

To the Minister, I hardly consider it fair that we’re going to penalize somebody because they happen to be proactive and they happen to have the opportunity to save a little bit of money. Because I don’t have a RRSP, my next door

neighbor has to cash it in because we both need a little bit of income support. That’s hardly fair and I think it therefore puts income support clients longer on the government dole and I really don’t think that’s where we should be going.

It seems to me that we penalize everybody in the income support programs because there are a few people that we feel either are scamming the system or they, in case, have a RRSP.

I would like to know whether or not the Minister will consider revising our policy so that the majority benefit, not the minority, and that the minority are dealt with as they should be. Thank you.

Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, as I stated, we must be fair and equitable when we are delivering the Income Security Program. As I stated before, when an individual has an RRSP, it could be a substantial amount, we don’t know the actual number, but we could use, let’s say, a figure of $200,000 to $250,000, for example. If the individual has that compared to other small community members who do not have any of that, we just have to be fair to these individual clientele. Having individuals receiving $1,200 from a small community that does not have anything versus an individual that may have RRSP of the same amount, we have to deal with this public money fairly and equitably.

As I stated with policies, any policies that require amendment or changes, I am always open to that. What Member Bisaro is referring to is an area that we should look at, so by all means, my department will look at options that we may consider down the road. Mahsi.

Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be short. I guess I have to say to the Minister that the idea of fairness apparently is individualized, because I certainly don’t agree with the Minister’s characterization of fairness.

My last question, since he mentions that RRSPs need to be cashed in, I would like to know from the Minister what it costs the department to allow people to keep a RRSP. What extra money is the department spending to allow me to keep my RRSP and to give me a little bit of income support? Thank you.

Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

As the Member knows, within our GNWT department there are various areas of subsidies that individuals can qualify for, whether it be training on the job or productive choices, those are some of the areas that we have provided over the years. Again, when we talk about income security as a basic needs subsidy programming, those that are in desperate need of subsidizing in a community, we found that over the years and have made some changes in

2007 and 2011 and we will continue to make those changes. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Time for oral questions has expired. Mr. Menicoche.

Question 573-17(5): Income Support Policy
Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to return to item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

I would like to take this time to recognize the Aurora College business admin class that’s in the gallery above me. A special welcome to Danita Allaire, she is a Fort Simpson constituent, as well as Sasha Hazenberg, a former resident of Fort Simpson. Also, welcome to the teacher and other students present with them. I hope you are enjoying question period as part of your introduction to a government course. Mahsi.

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, replies to budget address, day two of seven. Item 12, petitions. Item 13, reports of standing and special committees. Item 14, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 15, tabling of documents. Item 16, notices of motion. Item 17, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Mr. Miltenberger.

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 43, An Act to Amend the Borrowing Authorization Act, be read for the first time.

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Thank you, colleagues, I would like to remind the Member that we are not on the first reading of bills yet, we are on notices of motion. It caught me off guard too. Item 18, motions. Item 19, first reading of bills. Mr. Miltenberger.

Bill 43: An Act To Amend The Borrowing Authorization Act
First Reading of Bills

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the second opportunity to try to get this through the House. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 43, An Act to Amend the Borrowing Authorization Act, be read for the first time.

Bill 43: An Act To Amend The Borrowing Authorization Act
First Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Bill 43 has had first reading.

---Carried

Item 20, second reading of bills. Item 21, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016; Bill 38, An Act to Amend the Jury Act; and Bill 41, An Act to Amend the Partnership Act, with Mr. Dolynny in the chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

February 5th, 2015

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Good afternoon, committee. I would like to call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of the committee? Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We would like to consider Tabled Document 188-1(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Okay. We will commence after a short break. Thanks.

---SHORT RECESS

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole back to order. We have Tabled Document 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016, before us. We have agreed to begin with general comments. I’d like to ask the Minister of Finance if he’d like to bring witnesses into the Chamber. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, Madam Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort the witnesses to the table.

For the record, Minister Miltenberger, would you please introduce your witnesses.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. I have with me the deputy minister of Finance, Mike Aumond; and the deputy secretary to the FMB, Sandy Kalgutkar. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. I will now go to Members for general comments on main estimates. Mr. Yakeleya.