This is page numbers 4399 - 4434 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was family.

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Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O'Reilly, Hon. Wally Schumann, Hon. Louis Sebert, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne

The House met at 1:31p.m.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Good afternoon, Members. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to respond to the follow-up audit on Child and Family Services that was tabled in the House yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, our top priority is to ensure the safety and security of children and youth receiving services and care from Child and Family Services.

The Auditor General's report contains findings that are disappointing and concerning to all of us. While these findings align with what we have seen in our own internal audit work, they are difficult and serve as another reminder that we are not where we need or want to be, and we must do better.

The Department of Health and Social Services and I have reviewed and accepted without question all 11 recommendations in the report. I want to assure you that we take these findings and recommendations very seriously. We have already started implementing actions to fix the issues identified through this audit and our own internal audit. We also recognize that there is more that must be done.

Mr. Speaker, before outlining the actions we are taking it is important to remember the actions we took following the previous report of the Auditor General released in 2014. Members will recall that we created the Building Stronger Families Action Plan four years ago to transform Child and Family Services. Under this plan we took a number of actions to better serve and support children, young people and their families in the NWT.

We amended the Child and Family Services Act to help mature youth make a successful transition from care to living independently. We improved training for staff, implemented a new child and family services information system and Structured Decision-Making tools, updated the Standards and Procedures Manual, and got advice on how to better assess and manage caseloads, so that we could better support our staff in their work. We set up an internal auditing process, tabled legislated annual reports by the Child and Family Services Director and appointed Chief Operating Officers as Assistant Directors, so that we could be more accountable for our work. We also increased rates for foster parents to provide them with better financial support.

Mr. Speaker, the steps we have been taking are the right ones and they are the foundation stones needed to create better outcomes for children and their families. However, the Auditor General has concluded that some of the changes we have been making to the system have not been effectively implemented.

Mr. Speaker, these audits show us that while we have been doing the right things, we need to be more focused on doing these things the right way. As I have been acknowledging for some time, there is more to be done to improve Child and Family Services. Reflecting on these findings, we will be moving ahead with an improved focus on how we are managing and resourcing the changes we must continue to make.

Mr. Speaker, in January of this year I attended meetings hosted by Minister Philpott regarding the crisis of Indigenous children and youth in care in Canada. At this meeting we heard from Indigenous leaders from across the country regarding the need to create a child welfare system that is more focused on prevention and keeping children with their own families and in their own communities and cultures. I am proud that these are the things we here in this Legislative Assembly realized and have been working on for some time.

The Director's Report that I tabled here last week showed some trends that represent the kind of change that we want to see in child protection in the NWT and, indeed, within our country:

  • More children and youth receiving services are remaining in the care of their parents, while the proportion of children being removed from their homes and communities is decreasing.
  • The number of children and families receiving prevention services is rising, while the number of those receiving protection services is falling.
  • More families who are facing challenges in caring for their children are being helped through Voluntary Service Agreements.
  • The number of children in the permanent custody of the director has decreased by over 37 percent; 244 children to 152 since 2008-2009.

Mr. Speaker, while these are hopeful, promising trends, they do not diminish the importance of responding to the findings contained within the Auditor General's report. I want to share with Members and the public what we are doing as a system to ensure that we move forward clearly and decisively from this audit and our internal audits.

We have begun taking action in four areas to fix the system and address the issues identified by the Auditor General:

  1. Continuing to build a culture of quality;
  2. Investing in human resources;
  3. Building staff capacity; and
  4. Engaging with our partners.

First, we need to build on the work we have already started in creating a culture of quality. That is why in the spring we implemented a Child and Family Services Coordinating Team to collectively plan and address findings from our internal audits. We are also going to launch a System Quality Steering Committee to create a stronger quality improvement culture. Quality assurance processes that were developed by the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Authority are now being implemented across the territory to enhance key indicator monitoring and reporting, provide feedback to the regions and staff, and support quality improvement planning. In addition, we are upgrading standards in areas where there are still gaps in quality, such as permanency planning, foster care, as well as investigations.

Second, we are focusing on human resources to make sure that we have the right people in the right roles to meet demand now and into the future. We are assessing caseloads and workloads, and stepping up recruitment, retention, and development of Child and Family Services staff. We will be proposing the establishment of new frontline positions and examining whether we should include new roles, such as family support workers, to improve prevention services, as well as early intervention. Positions to better support the screening and review of foster homes have been assigned and will be recruited this year. The Out of Territory Program is currently under review in order to ensure that we have the proper complement of staff to effectively manage and support this program.

Third, we are building on the capacity of our Child and Family Services staff. We have made sure they have the core training they need, including enhanced training on Structured Decision-Making tools, and created an internal training team. We also know we need to improve our training for assistant directors, so we will be delivering the new training program for them later this year.

Finally, we are engaging with our partners and drawing on their knowledge to improve outcomes. We are continuing meetings and engagement with staff started several months ago to discuss quality issues and get their input on actions required to improve compliance. We are also working with Indigenous communities and leaders to continue to develop more culturally-responsive approaches. We are also working with the Foster Family Coalition to strengthen our relationship with foster families and engage them to understand the training and support required to better serve children under their care.

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we have laid the building blocks to improve the quality of Child and Family Services for children, youth and families, but it is clear we continue to face significant challenges, and there is much more work we must and will do.

As part of our ongoing commitment to quality improvement, we will continue working with Members here, our staff, stakeholders, communities, Indigenous leaders, and, of course, the families we serve, to make the changes needed for a stronger Child and Family Services system here, in the Northwest Territories. Our work with our partners must continue to strengthen the Child and Family Services system, making sure it is child, youth, and family focused, and focused on providing high quality care and support in a way that respects culture.

We will continue working in partnership with Indigenous communities and leaders to meet the government's commitment in response to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to transform Child and Family Services in a direction of a more collaborative and family-centered approach.

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Office of the Auditor General of Canada for their insights and for their contribution to improving services for children. I also want to thank all of our Child and Family Services staff, who work incredibly hard in extremely difficult and complex situations. We are committed to working with them in partnership and support them in their quest to provide the best services possible to ensure children, youth and families are protected and supported. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are continuing with our mandate commitment to implement the Education Renewal and Innovation Framework and Action Plan. I am pleased to report that the education system is improving to meet the needs of the students, educators, and families of the Northwest Territories. We are at the mid-point of our 10-year strategy, and we are seeing numerous successes and further opportunities for action.

Mr. Speaker, there are many challenges in delivering education in the Northwest Territories. We are taking a made-in-the-North approach, recognizing the unique nature of the communities our schools serve, with their many languages and cultures, their small size and remoteness, as well as the legacy of residential schools. Our initiatives and strategies form a continuum of learning and training. Each of them builds upon and complements the others.

Our initiatives and our challenges start with the early childhood level. We have more work to do to address the issues emerging from the Early Development Instrument, or the EDI. The EDI is a population-level tool that reliably assesses the developmental health, skills, and behaviour of children at the age of developmental transition from early childhood to school age. We have not been surprised at the rates of vulnerability identified in the Northwest Territories since the baseline was established in 2014. However, we are seeing some promising results with those communities that have early childhood learning programs through licensed daycares and day homes and from those running the junior kindergarten program.

We will continue to administer the EDI and the MDI, which is the Middle-years Development Instrument, because they highlight gaps that we need to address. We now have actions in place to address each of the domains covered by the EDI. In the EDI domain of physical health and wellbeing, we provide funding and nutritional advice to all schools in the Northwest Territories through the Healthy Foods for Learning program. We are addressing the domains of social competence and communication skills and general knowledge through our junior kindergarten and kindergarten classrooms with exploration, group work, and inquiry-based learning. We are giving parents and caregivers consistent information and resources to help with language and cognitive development, which is also furthered in our classrooms. We are employing self-regulation techniques and funding resources for self-regulation in all of our classrooms, starting in junior kindergarten, to assist with emotional maturity and behaviour.

We will continue to share EDI data with Health and Social Services, and we will continue to work with them on initiatives now underway or in development through the Early Childhood Development Strategy in order to close gaps and meet our ongoing challenges.

Mr. Speaker, under the banner of Education Renewal and also in partnership with Health and Social Services, the Child and Youth Care Counsellors initiative is underway in the Tlicho and Deh Cho regions. This initiative gives youth, both students in school and those who may not be attending, access to mental health counsellors. As well, we have contracted a travelling team of mental health counsellors to visit the smaller communities in these two regions to ensure they are also served. This is a critically important initiative. Many of the requests we get for support from our educators concern mental health needs of children and youth.

The High School Pathways initiative is also under development with comprehensive engagements planned and piloting beginning in the 2019-2020 school year. The renewed High School Pathways model aims to ensure that high school students and their parents are better informed about and prepared for high school. Through the Pathways approach, we expect students will be more engaged in their learning, as each student's pathway will be designed to emphasize their competencies and their skills. We hope this approach will help improve student attendance and lead to fewer students dropping out. Communications and career planning tools are also being developed to make sure our students are better prepared for the world after completing high school.

Students are also made aware of the history and legacy of residential schools through our Northern Studies 10, which is a mandatory requirement for students to graduate. Every year at the New to the North Educators Conference, new teachers are also offered training to understand the complex and difficult history and legacy of the residential schools system in the Northwest Territories. We have made that same training available across the Government of the Northwest Territories and at the municipal level, and we have also had other Canadian jurisdictions participate.

Mr. Speaker, it is important that all teachers and students moving through the education system understand the impact residential schools has had on generations of Northerners. Many of our students' communities are still dealing with and healing from the effects residential schools have had on individuals and families. The legacy is complex and very personal and manifests in many ways. This is why we embedded the program into the education system. As Justice Murray Sinclair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission stated, "There can be no reconciliation without education."

One of the most successful initiatives of Education Renewal, Northern Distance Learning, has expanded to 11 communities this year. This program offers students access to academic level courses not regularly offered in their community school. Since 2015, 45 students have taken at least one course, and some as many as 10 through the Northern Distance Learning and have graduated. I cannot emphasize enough how delighted I am that students are able to graduate in their home communities, prepared to enter a post-secondary program of their choice.

Mr. Speaker, we are also taking steps to ensure the safety of students and staff. This is why we are revising the school funding framework to provide resources to ensure no less than two full-time teaching positions are allocated to each school. This change impacts our smallest schools in Sachs Harbour, Jean Marie River, K'aagee, Nahanni Butte, Wrigley, and Wekweeti, which, up to now, have only been allocated funding for one teacher position only. Although this may have been sufficient in the past, an increased focus on physical safety, mental health, and student and teacher supports has highlighted the need for this change.

In order to capture our successes and challenges of the whole system change, beginning this year, the department will be undertaking a formal evaluation of Education Renewal. The report will be released during the next fiscal year.

Mr. Speaker, there are tremendous changes taking place in education in the Northwest Territories. We have been describing Education Renewal as a holistic system shift. There is no single initiative that will provide the critical change required to meet the needs of the 21st-century learners and those that teach them. It is a sum of all the parts. Through all of these changes and initiatives, we are building a more responsive system to address the ongoing challenges of students dropping out of school, attendance, wellness, readiness, competency, and opportunity. While we are certainly seeing some successes, I intend to make sure we continue to innovate and adapt to address to the needs of our students and educators. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment.

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, the sustainability and growth of the NWT economy requires strategic investment and diversification. The mandate we set for our 18th Legislative Assembly highlights the importance of investing in renewable resources, agriculture, arts, fisheries, forestry, manufacturing, tourism, traditional harvesting, and the knowledge economy.

The foundation of much of this work was set out in the 2014 NWT Economic Opportunities Strategy with its goal to establish an environment in which NWT businesses and entrepreneurs can take the lead in identifying, pursuing, and realizing economic opportunities. In addition to providing individual livelihoods and jobs, these opportunities will contribute to the grass-roots growth and diversity we need to maintain our territory's overall economic health and sustainability.

Mr. Speaker, in the coming weeks, I will be releasing a Progress and Performance Measures Report on the Northwest Territories Economic Opportunities Strategy. Of the 117 recommendations included in the 10-year plan, almost all have now been actioned or completed. Many were directly incorporated into our government's mandate.

Thanks to performance measures laid out in the strategy, Mr. Speaker, we can say with assurance that our investments and diversity are already helping our economy to moderate what has been a tough time in commodities markets. As the results of our investments and initiatives take hold, they are also confirming that our mandate is meeting the economic goals and objectives set out by our Legislative Assembly.

Today I would like to share and celebrate some notable successes. We have seen growth in almost every one of our renewable resource sectors over our four years of investment. It is no surprise that this growth has been led by our booming tourism sector. Investments in marketing, tourism facilities, parks infrastructure, training, and various local operator supports have helped drive tourism to new levels. Since 2014, every indicator has improved. Visitor spending is up 37 percent; 30 percent more people have visited; 28 percent more tourism licenses were issued. It means that our approach is working, that our strategic investments are having a tangible impact across the board.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Minister's statement.

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Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

The arts sector has also surged with a 78 percent growth in artists registered through the Northwest Territories Arts Program. Registered film and media practitioners, in particular, have increased by more than 150 percent. They are contributing to a film industry now worth around $6.7 million, a 38 percent increase spurred in part by an investment plan recommended by the strategy.

The centre of our commercial fishery is also on the upswing. Compared to four years ago, we have issued 27 percent more commercial vessel licenses. Harvests for our fishers are up by 42 percent, and they are collecting 55 percent more for those fish. These positive results underpin the importance of continuing to invest in diversity. We will do so through the strategies and plans that we have in place, our Agriculture Strategy, Film Strategy, Great Slave Lake Fish Revitalization Strategy, Immigration Strategy, and Tourism 2020. We will also be adding to our suite of investment plans with a new Manufacturing Strategy and a renewed approach to supporting and advancing our arts sector.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the Economic Opportunities Strategy Governance Committee who oversaw the development and implementation of this strategy and who has now fulfilled its mandate. I would like to extend my appreciation on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories for their guidance. The collaborative approach taken to implement the strategy confirms that all government departments, strategy partners, and stakeholders have a key role to play in developing economic growth and diversity in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is working to improve emergency management in the Northwest Territories so that we can better serve communities and help ensure the safety and security of residents.

Today I wish to report progress on the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs' efforts to update the Northwest Territories emergency management system, including how government departments work collectively to support communities during emergencies. Communities in the Northwest Territories have experienced natural, technological, and human-caused hazards in the past, and they will continue to do so in the future. Wildfires and floods are of particular concern to Northwest Territories residents. The risks associated with these hazards are expected to become more frequent and more severe due to climate change.

Emergencies can occur at any time and in any place, with or without warning. Improvements in the Northwest Territories emergency management system will help our government keep pace with a changing risk environment and build resilience in our communities to deal with emergencies.

Our government committed in the mandate to work with stakeholders to develop and propose amendments to modernize the Civil Emergency Measures Act and to revitalize the Territorial Emergency Response Plan.

We have done better than that, Mr. Speaker. With the anticipated passage of the Emergency Management Act at the end of this sitting and a new territorial emergency plan already developed, the Northwest Territories will be well-positioned to respond to current and future hazards and threats in the Northwest Territories.

The new act and plan will also align us better with best practices from across Canada and help clarify roles and responsibilities for communities and the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Creating an Emergency Management Organization through the new legislation, commonly referred to as an EMO, is an important part of these changes. An EMO will clarify roles and responsibilities for emergency management and focus experience and knowledge in the areas of mitigation, preparedness, response, and recovery. It will also support capacity building in emergency management and enhance our ability to maintain readiness to respond when a community needs assistance.

The EMO, as a centralized point for emergency management issues, will work with key partners to build the relationships of trust which are so important when faced with major emergencies. The creation of a territorial planning committee will ensure involvement, oversight, and participation in emergency management activities by all departments and other key stakeholders.

Over the past several years, community governments have made significant progress in improving their emergency plans and response capabilities. Changes to emergency management legislation build on this work. They will allow communities more discretion in structuring their emergency plans and programs to reflect their unique operational realities.

Community plans will be shared with the Emergency Management Organization to create a more collaborative environment, provide visibility on the level of preparedness in communities, and allow improved planning and prioritization of support efforts in this area.

Recent Government of the Northwest Territories participation in the military-led Operation NANOOK exercise provided important validation for many elements of the new emergency plan and act. Operation NANOOK demonstrated how these two instruments would work together during a major emergency.

This exercise also included participation by the community government of Behchoko. I would like to recognize the community government for their excellent work to improve community emergency management capacity. They have set a great example of how the Government of the Northwest Territories and community governments can work collaboratively to ensure the safety and security of residents.

Mr. Speaker, emergency management involves a continual cycle of planning and capacity building to reach and maintain an appropriate level of readiness for emergencies. Having an Emergency Management Organization supported by new legislation will help us to ensure that there is a coordinated response to community and territorial emergencies. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today in the House we are bringing attention to the issue of family violence. First off, I would like to begin by reading the definition of "family violence" as per Canada's Department of Justice website. It reads that "family violence is when someone uses abusive behaviour to control or harm a member of their family or someone with whom they have an intimate relationship [...] It may include a single act of violence or a number of acts that form a pattern of abuse [...] There are many forms of violence, which include physical, emotional, financial, sexual abuse, as well as neglect."

Mr. Speaker, Dene men have a lot of respect for women, whether she is a mother, sister, aunt, or spouse. Over the years, there has been ongoing change within the communities that I represent regarding the perception of violence. Today, men and women are equal, and the people who use violence, whether perpetrated by men or women, are frowned upon by the communities.

Mr. Speaker, when I was a child growing up in my hometown, I had seen many cases of family violence throughout the committee, but, today, I am noticing far fewer cases of family violence than has been seen in the past. This is anecdotal evidence, and it is also backed up in the various crime statistics in relation to the communities I represent. For example, in Fort Resolution between 2007 and 2016, violent crime dropped by 38 percent; in Lutselk'e, 43 percent; and the numbers for Detah and Ndilo are included in the Yellowknife stats, which dropped by 5 percent overall over the same period. At this rate, we can see an end to violence within our lifetime.

Mr. Speaker, it is evident that, over time, people have begun to understand family violence is not acceptable under any circumstance or form. I believe that a part of this shift is largely due to the work done by organizations such as the Coalition against Family Violence, the Status of Women Council, the Native Women's Association, crisis phone lines, the RCMP, and awareness campaigns on family violence, among others.

Mr. Speaker, education and awareness drives have become an integral part of reducing rates of family violence in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, we must continue to work on ourselves, and strive to improve our society and eliminate family violence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife North.

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, it's Family Violence Awareness Week in the Northwest Territories. That's a time to call attention to the tragedy of family violence and try to take steps to discourage and eventually end it.

Family Violence Awareness week is focused on creating awareness of the problem and promoting a change in attitudes and behaviours. The goal is to address, reduce, and bring an end to family violence.

Mr. Speaker, families can be our greatest source of love, confidence, and trust. When that trust is violated, the consequences for the vulnerable people can be severe. Family violence can manifest in many forms: emotional abuse, neglect, financial abuse, or physical or sexual abuse. Family violence can happen to anyone.

Mr. Speaker, in coming to grips with family violence, it is important to understand the cyclical nature of the problem. A simplified view is that hurt people will hurt people. That's a simple phrase, but it contains a lot of layers. It tells us that someone who inflicts family violence was probably the victim of violence at another point in his or her life. It tells us that the best way to resolve current family violence will require trying to fix unhealed wounds of the past. Sometimes, those wounds may not even be known by the person who suffered them and who has transformed into the abuser. It is a complex scenario. No wonder solutions are difficult to find.

Precisely because of its cyclical nature, Mr. Speaker, we must be relentless in confronting family violence. We know that today's victim of family violence may become tomorrow's perpetrator. We know that today's victim may become tomorrow's statistic. There are a lot of hurt people in the world, Mr. Speaker. They may be hurt from any number of factors: colonialism, residential schools, substance abuse, societal violence, or other causes. Many people need help to heal.

At the same time, while we have compassion for past victims, we must be relentless in confronting family violence happening now. We must support front-line workers and provide resources to those taking on this difficult challenge.

Mr. Speaker, family violence is not a part of anyone's culture. It is not justified or defensible in any way. Violence should have no place in any family, community, or society. At the appropriate time, I will have questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this week in the NWT is Family Violence Awareness Week. This means we should be focused on creating awareness in each of our communities. Our attention should be towards putting an end towards family violence.

Mr. Speaker, we need to recognize that our communities are working endless hours to create awareness on family violence, and it is everyone's responsibility to support our organizations who are promoting activities to end this violence.

I know I don't stand alone, Mr. Speaker, when I say we are supporting programs to raise awareness about family violence. Activities are held in many of our communities to support families who are going through violence in any way, shape, or form.

Activities are focused on prevention and awareness. The more we talk about it and the more education we give, we could be saving lives. Let's get this awareness out, and put an end to family violence. We need everyone's support.

Mr. Speaker, our efforts about putting an end to family violence mean we need to start talking about it and making people realize that this will not be tolerated anymore.

Talking about standing up for yourselves and not being afraid, let's start by encouraging culture and traditional events, which includes family members taking part and seeing how much fun it is to do activities together.

Mr. Speaker, it is important that our families and our communities know that we support and encourage activities that will make our families stronger. Mr. Speaker, whether we admit it or not, we are all impacted by family violence. This means that it is our responsibility to help raise awareness and promote and educate our communities so that family violence will be an open discussion and families who are affected will not be afraid to come forward and take a stand. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker:

"Spousal assault in the Northwest Territories is a social problem of grave proportions. Wives, husbands and lovers have their eyes blackened, their teeth knocked out, their ribs and legs broken, their bodies bruised, and their lives disfigured by violence as a result of assaults which occur daily in the Northwest Territories. For many victims, beatings are regular and frequent."

"Spousal assault strikes at the heart of family and community life. It reaches every part of our society. Many of those who assault were raised in families where spousal assault has taken place. Many of them were themselves abused as children. Many victims of spousal assault saw their mothers beaten by their fathers. Some have grown up to believe that being abused is part of a woman's fate."

"For too long, the victims of spousal assault and their families have suffered in silence and isolation. This must not be allowed to continue. We must encourage victims to seek help, and, when they do, we must be prepared to provide it. Similarly, we must develop methods to deal with the problems of batterers. We must be prepared to do more than impose criminal sanctions through the courts. We must be prepared to reach out to them with counselling, therapy, and family-life education."

Mr. Speaker, those words are as true today as they were when they were first published in May 1985. The government of the day appointed a five-member task force to examine the nature and extent of spousal assault, the effectiveness of government responses, and to provide recommendations.

Under the chairmanship of the late John Bayly, the task force travelled to 30 communities in the NWT to hear from front-line service providers, victims and batterers themselves. They came back with more than 100 recommendations. Some of them have been adopted, such as diverting cases away from the courts and providing anger-management training. Others still wait for resources.

Mr. Speaker, the task force report was dedicated to three women for whom its recommendations came too late. Thirty-three years later, the NWT still has the second highest rate of spousal assault in the country. On average, a woman is killed every year, and occasionally a man. The task force is gone and forgotten, but the problem remains. What will it take to reduce and eradicate family violence? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Sahtu.

Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker: learning and healing while in custody. Mr. Speaker, last year, we heard an outcry from the inmates at the North Slave Correctional Centre.

Mr. Speaker, on the principles of rehabilitation and reintegration through programs and services, both are essential to building a healthy society and avoid family violence.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice, during last June's session, stated the correctional centre offers a wide range of in-house programming, right from curricular activities to treatment healing programs.

Mr. Speaker, these services and programs are fundamental to our society's stability and communities, and more importantly, reuniting families once the debt to society is fulfilled. Later, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the appropriate Minister on the progress and measurements of success. Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. As this is Family Violence Awareness Week, I will speak on Victim Services programs of this government, offered through the Department of Justice.

There are basically three programs. The Victims Assistance Fund receives the victims of crimes surcharges, which are then used for application-based projects. This program is working well, although there is an opening balance of $260,000 as of April 1, 2018, as shown in the most recent annual report tabled earlier in this sitting.

The second program is the Victims of Crime Emergency Fund, which provides financial assistance to victims of serious violent crime. Although the program has eligibility requirements, there is apparently some discretion for justice officials. I understand that about $40,000 per year is available for the victims of crime.

The third program is the network of victim services coordinators that are funded through contribution agreements with the Department of Justice. This system has been in place since 1996, and there are currently eight community-based Victim Services coordinators, with outreach positions in Hay River and Inuvik dedicated to serving communities without resident victim services providers. These coordinators, other service providers, and volunteers provide victims of crime with information, assistance, support, and referrals to community support services.

Support is also supposed to be available to victims of crime in surrounding communities by phone. It is my understanding that the number of service contacts with victims has more than doubled over the last five years. Given that this program is delivered through contribution agreements, there appear to be some issues with regard to consistency of support for the coordinators themselves and access to resources to support victims. There is a need for a comprehensive review, along with more funding to complete the network and provide victim services in all of our communities.

I will have questions for the Minister of Justice on the adequacy of victim services and how this government intends to improve support for the victims of family violence and other crimes. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Hay River North.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, October 21st to 27th is Family Violence Awareness Week. The focus of this week is to bring awareness to the crisis of family violence in the Northwest Territories, and, to that end, I thank all of my colleagues on both sides of the floor who have spoken about this issue.

I also have to commend the members of the public who are speaking out about their experiences with family violence. I can't imagine it is easy to do so, and I thank them because I know that their words can help others in similar situations.

Early today, I read a post on Facebook from a resident who, because it is Family Violence Awareness Week, was offering support to others and raising awareness by sharing her experiences. The post was only a few sentences, but it was powerful. There is a line in there that will probably stick with me forever. She said, "The only solution is to leave. I was a jammed clip and two seconds away from becoming a statistic. Don't be a statistic."

The post generated a lot of positive comments and prompted others to share their experiences, and I have to believe that it gave hope to someone who is in a similar situation.

While I hope that our efforts here today help raise awareness about the crisis of family violence in the NWT, the Members of this House have the power and responsibility to do more than just raise awareness.

Mr. Speaker, I have now twice referred to family violence in the territory as a "crisis." The mandate of this Assembly refers to family violence as a "crisis." The statistics that show that the NWT has rates of family violence nine times the national average screams that this is a crisis. Mr. Speaker, it is time that we start mobilizing like we are dealing with a crisis.

The Member for Yellowknife Centre just spoke about task force recommendations to help address this issue from 33 years ago that still haven't been acted on. At some point, we have to stop patting ourselves on the back for recognizing that this is a crisis and start tackling it head on. I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. [Translation] There is a social norm that affects us all, if not in our own home then in the homes of our families and of our friends. It affects so many of us, mostly women, but not exclusively.

Mr. Speaker, we are all aware of just how complex the issue of family violence is. Even worse, the NWT has the second highest rate of family violence instances in the country. The situation here, in the NWT, is at epidemic proportions.

"Family violence" is any instance where a family member is threatening, intimidating, or using any method to illicit fear. Behaviours can include: physical abuse, psychological abuse, emotional abuse, financial abuse, forcible confinement, and sexual abuse.

It is our duty as legislators, as parents, and as family members to help foster an environment free of fear and free of violence, where the future generations of our children and grandchildren need not suffer in silence, nor live in an environment where abuses, when brought to light, are hushed up and repressed.

At three years into our term, this year's Family Violence Awareness Week is an appropriate time to reflect on what we have done as northern leaders to end the crisis of family violence in the Northwest Territories.

[Translation] Family Violence Awareness Week is an educational and cultural effort to ensure that the citizens of the Northwest Territories are able to identify abusive actions and have the necessary tools to combat and reduce incidents of family violence. Merci, Monsieur le President.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Deh Cho.

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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, family violence commonly happens in a family situation, where there is a relationship between two people. What needs to be understood is the personal wellness of individuals caught up in the cycle of violence. Often alcohol is a major contributor to the incidence of violence and the debilitating legacy of intergenerational trauma because of residential schools.

Mr. Speaker, family violence rates in the Northwest Territories are appalling and at crisis levels. Therefore we made it a part of the mandate of the 18th Assembly.

In 2013, the Northwest Territories' rates of family violence was cited by the Coalition Against Family Violence at nine to 12 times the provincial average. According to Statistics Canada in 2013, the rate of violence against women was nine times the national rate.

In 2014, 75 percent of reported intimate partner violence victims in the three territories were Indigenous, according to a study published in 2016. In 2014, the GNWT reported that 95 percent of those involved in the child welfare system are Indigenous children.

Mr. Speaker, I understand that we all made family violence a priority and will make efforts to address the crisis, particularly developing a plan and allocating resources and personnel and mobilizing to address the crisis.

Mr. Speaker, I have seen some efforts, and I am hopeful that more concrete plans and actions will be undertaken. Programs such as the New Day Program were changed, and the Domestic Violence Treatment Option is somewhere in the department, prominent program initiatives that gave people hope that, yes, the government is doing something.

Mr. Speaker, the government must at least throw a meaningful lifeline to the issue of family violence. I will have questions for the Minister later in the House. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Nahendeh.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Dennis Buboire was a true warrior, battling one disease after another up to his passing on June 23, 2018, at St. Boniface Hospital, with his wife, Gloria, and his son, Levi, at his side.

Dennis was born and raised in Pine Falls, Manitoba; lived and worked in Winnipeg and Thompson, Manitoba; Toronto, Ontario; and most recently, Fort Simpson, NWT.

In 2001, Dennis accepted a position with the Government of the Northwest Territories, Department of Municipal and Community Affairs as a Capital Infrastructure and Works Planning Manager for the Deh Cho region. Fort Simpson was their home for 17 years. I had the honour of knowing Dennis from the first day that he started working for the department. His door was always open, and he enjoyed when people stopped in and chatted with him.

To say he loved and cherished Levi and wifey, Gloria, would be an understatement. I had the opportunity to talk to him about Gloria and Levi at least once a week. He truly loved them both. They were his reason for getting up in the morning, going to work, and, more importantly, why he was excited to go home at lunch and after work.

With Dennis' health failing and keeping a promise to Mama and Papa Law that he would take care of his family meant that he had to bring them home to Winnipeg. Their five-day journey of 2,800 kilometres was extremely difficult for their family. They were home for one week when Dennis was hospitalized with his fourth heart attack.

As a diabetic for 40 years, Dennis had health issues affecting his eyes, heart, kidneys, limbs, and lungs. Even though Dennis was in constant pain, he was always very sociable and had a great sense of humour.

I enjoyed the friendly banter with him, especially about his allowance. At least once every two weeks, he would show me a small amount of money and celebrate that he was being good and his wifey gave him some money.

Dennis is survived by his wife, Gloria; sons Levi, Nicholas, Michael, and Derek; daughters Melissa, Nicole; brother Harry; sisters Linda and Sandra; numerous grandchildren, great-grandchildren, nieces, and nephews; and Mama Law, Catherine Hall.

Dennis was preceded by his parents, Antoinette and William Buboire; sister, Bernadette; brother, Larry; and Papa Law, Henry Hall.

The family would like to thank the doctors, nurses, and staff at that Fort Simpson Health Centre, Stanton Regional Hospital in Yellowknife, NWT, the University of Alberta Hospital, and, most recently, Saint Boniface Hospital. The family would like to thank Allison de Pelham, Val Gendron, as well as all the people who helped him.

In closing, it saddens me that he passed on. He was an amazing individual, serious sometimes, funny and entertaining other times. However, I am happy that he is feeling no pain and in a better place. I believe he will always be with his family and friends, looking out for us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Our condolences to the family, as well as the community. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to people in the gallery. We have with us a class of students here. One of them happens to be my buddy and my son, Ty Lafferty. Welcome to our assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Kam Lake.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize all the students from Aurora College, the social worker and nursing program, who have joined us today, in particular, my constituent from Kam Lake, Bovina Beaudoin. Thank you for being here today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Range Lake.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to take a moment to recognize a lot of schools here. We have N.J. Macpherson School, grade 4 and 5 students, and St. Pat's High School, grade 9. I'm not sure which one is your son, but welcome to the gallery.

We also have students from the second year of the social work program and the fourth year of the Bachelor of Science and Nursing program, 22 students and faculty. Welcome. One of the faculty, Susan Fitzky, I recognize. I apologize if I don't recognize the names of the other ones.

I also want to recognize some constituents within that: Lucinda Kanapetradu from Range Lake. I am horrible with names. I am sorry. Kerry Lynn Dunford and Kathie Pender and all nursing students and from the constituency of Range Lake. Welcome to the Legislature.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to welcome some visitors in the gallery from Inuvik. We have Mr. Jozeph Carnigarsky, who is the president of the DGO; Mr. Jimmy Kalinek, well-known drum dancer and snowmobile racer. Always nice to have another McLeod in the Assembly. I would like to recognize Jordan McLeod. I would also like to recognize all the students who are here. I think one in particular is Jasmine Gordon. She is from Inuvik. Welcome to the Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Deh Cho.

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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Berna Matto, who is the South Slavey translator. She'll be here for the duration of the session to provide South Slavey translations. Mahsi.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize of course the students from Aurora College with regard to the social working and nursing programs, in particular Susan Fitzky. She is also a resident of Yellowknife North. Welcome to the House. I would also like to welcome the grade 9 students of St. Pat's, that is my junior high alma mater, and their teacher, Catherine Coolen. Welcome and thank you for being here.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Great Slave.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I also want to take the opportunity to recognize a number of individuals in the gallery today from Aurora College, in particular some residents of the Great Slave riding, first off, Jenifer Makyanzi, Hosai Ayoubi, and Jessica Landry. Welcome to the gallery, Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife South.

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Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two students from Yellowknife South, Julie Loomis and Shania Clark, and also Jordan McLeod. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Welcome, Clarky, a.k.a "Clarky." Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Hay River North.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to recognize one of the nursing students in the gallery, a former co-worker, we just slang popcorn together, Ms. Trista Nault.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome Jozeph Carnigarsky, Jimmy Kalinek, Jordan McLeod. I just want to say thank you for all the work that you do up in the Beaufort-Delta region, thank them for their leadership, their community involvement, all the volunteering that you do. I really appreciate it and glad you guys can join us here today. Enjoy the proceedings. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le president. I have a couple of Aurora College students I want to recognize in the gallery. They are Frame Lake residents, Kyle MacPhee and Whitney Fisher. I also would like to recognize Mr. Andy Young. He is a resident of Yellowknife. He organized a successful fundraising hockey game that I got to play in on Saturday this past weekend. The game was for Eugene Roach and his family. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize one of my constituents in the gallery and one of the youngest chairs in the Aklavik community corporation, Jordan McLeod, also, Jimmy Kalinek and Jozeph Carnigarsky. I would also like to thank you all for all the leadership that you do in the communities. It is much appreciated. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to have the nursing and social work students here, in the House, today. I would particularly like to recognize Jordan Erickson, Jody Prince, and Candice Ferdinand who are joining us today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Nahendeh.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to also welcome all the social worker and nursing students here today, in particular, one of my riding, a constituent, Naila Cazon. Thank you very much. As well, I would like to recognize my CA who makes me look good and does all the great work out there. I would like to thank her very much, Debra Richards.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Sahtu.

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Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize all the social worker students and Candice Ferdinand, originally from Deline. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Nunakput.

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Herbert Nakimayak

Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize, as well, Jozeph Carnigarsky, my high school buddy. Joseph is here making amendments to the Wildlife Act, and it's good to see his young leadership with the Gwich'in. He's also a negotiator for the Gwich'in, so I just want to give him a shout-out for all the hard work he is doing. Also, to Jimmy Kalinek. Over the weekend we were in Tuktoyaktuk for Persis Gruben's birthday. Jimmy is a very avid cultural performer, drum dancing, and many aspects of the Inuvialuit culture, so a shout-out to Jimmy, as well to Jordan McLeod who is, as my colleague from the Beaufort Delta says, one of the youngest members of the Inuvialuit Development Regional Corporation. So welcome to Jordan and a shout-out to all the young guys who are working hard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we're missing anyone in the gallery, welcome to our Chambers. It's always great to have an audience as part of our proceedings. Masi. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today the Minister of Culture, Education and Employment did a Minister's statement on renewing the NWT education system, and, on page 3, she spoke about revising the school funding framework to provide resources to ensure no less than two full-time teacher positions are allocated to each school. This is a very important step, and I'd like to thank the Minister and the department for doing this. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise why this issue was not addressed before the start of the school year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Why it wasn't addressed at the start of the school year is because we just had the shuffle in the spring, April, I believe it was, so I had just taken on the portfolio of Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. It wasn't until the summer months, actually, that it was brought to my attention that we're not having more than one teacher in schools.

I do have to recognize the MLA, Shane Thompson, for bringing that to my attention. It was a serious concern of his and a serious concern of mine. Safety is number one. So, it took a little bit of time because it was brought to my attention during the summer, it took a little bit of time to look at the process, to get the approvals that we needed to, but, as soon as I heard about it, it was a priority. I apologize if it wasn't timelier than it could have been, but I am glad that we resolved the situation.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I thank the Minister for doing this. I appreciate her listening to the concerns and then working forward to help the students and the teachers, as well. So, can the Minister advise us when will the changes be implemented to ensure the physical safety and mental health for the students and teachers?

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

The decision just came through. It was around a month ago, actually, that I was allowed to make this decision. So, we phoned all of the education bodies. We notified them verbally. We're in the process now of doing written letters to them all advising and then reinstating the funding so that they'll have the full-year funding for the year.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I'm looking forward to seeing the positive impact it will have on the students, the teachers, and the communities. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister be able to tell us will this change be a new policy moving forward, or is this just a one-time shot for this year?

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

We used internal funding for this year because I needed it done and I wanted it done now. However, we have talked, and so, we are putting together a proposal at this moment, and we'll be bringing it through the Financial Management Board for a decision for future funding.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope that the Financial Management Board will continue to support that because I think this is a very important initiative being brought forth by the Minister. So, can the Minister advise us: will this have an impact on the support staff, like the classroom assistants and language specialists?

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Yes, it will have an impact. It's going to mean better support for the students within the schools. So, schools are still funded for a half-time position for a language instructor and also for program support. This is actually on top, this is actually more support for students, and it's about safety for our students. So it's a good thing, and I will do my best to make sure it's maintained. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have questions for the Minister of Justice on my Member's statement on family violence. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister a question on the 2007 needs survey which was conducted by the GNWT and the Coalition Against Family Violence, entitled "NWT Family Violence Attitudinal Survey." I'm wondering if the Department of Justice, in conjunction with other departments, is planning to conduct another family violence survey like the one that was done in 2007? Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Justice.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Member opposite for his questions. At this time, we're not aware of any plans for another attitudinal survey. The survey of 2007, some 11 years ago, was helpful in confirming the prevalence of this problem in the Northwest Territories, and we know that the problem has continued through the use of shelters, the rates of emergency protection orders, EPOs, crime statistics, and other measures. Now, I can advise that the GNWT is developing a comprehensive approach to addressing family violence. The goal of this work is to identify best practices, align existing GNWT work, and identify priority areas for investment over the coming decade.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mr. Speaker, did the results of the 2007 family-violence survey have an impact on policies of the Department of Justice? If so, what specific measures or policies to date are a direct result of this survey?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I can appreciate the question, and I know that the Member appreciates that I wasn't here in 2007. However, I can point to certain improvements that have been made since that time. As Members will know, the DVTO Court is very active, and we have such programs as A New Day, so there have been improvements in the system which are being utilized. DVTO, I'm not sure when it started, but it has been in existence for some time, and the A New Day program is newer, I believe, but also has been a success. We believe that these types of programs will reduce the amount of family violence. I mentioned that these programs are successful. Clearly, we need greater success to reduce the terrible level of family violence in the Northwest Territories, but we have taken steps.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mr. Speaker, since the completion of that previously mentioned 2007 family violence survey, has the perception of the Department of Justice changed regarding the way it handles cases relating to family violence?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the department fully realized the seriousness of this item, and it is of course a shared priority amongst several departments. I mentioned that we are developing a comprehensive approach to addressing family violence, and maybe I can talk a little bit about the first steps that we are taking. The first phase will be focused on research and analysis and will result in a comprehensive strategy recommendation based on evidence and interjurisdictional analysis of best practices, consultation with northern researchers is in progress, and we hope to have preliminary results in early 2019.

In the second phase, we will be dealing directly with stakeholders and consulting with them on the results of the research so that we can receive meaningful guidance as to where we should proceed in the future. As I mentioned, we have certain programs in place. Clearly, those can be improved, and we're always looking for new ideas.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Justice has some role in the agreement between the RCMP and the Department of Justice. I would like to ask the Minister if that department, or him specifically, meets regularly with RCMP to talk about ways to address the combatting of family violence?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I thank the Member opposite for his question. I meet regularly with the RCMP and will certainly bring up this specific issue. There are many issues that we do discuss, but, clearly, crime reduction is very important amongst them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services. The report I mentioned in my statement today reported to a Ministerial committee on spousal assault in the Assembly of the day in 1985. This committee brought together a wide range of service providers, officials from government departments, the Status of Women, and others whose work included family violence. What would it take for this Minister to treat this crisis as a crisis and re-establish this coordinated approach to the issue? Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was 14 when that report came out. We recognize that family violence is a crisis and is of incredible importance here, in the Northwest Territories. In Cabinet, we have established different committees of Cabinet to focus in on some of the challenges that we face here, in the Northwest Territories. We do have a social envelope committee of Cabinet that does look at this issue and look at how we can work better as departments to address those issues. I'm not convinced that right now we need to stand up a new committee, but I do hear the Member, and I will certainly ask the departments to go back and look at what was done in the past, and whether or not there is value in re-establishing a committee like that, or whether or not we can do those things through our existing social envelope committee of Cabinet.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

The Minister can find the report in the library, or I can lend him my copy, and he can have a read of it. What I hear him saying is that he's going to create an echo chamber of government departments speaking to one another rather than consulting with people who are front-line service providers or who have a stake in this system as victims, as batterers, and so on. Why can't this work include a broader array of people than simply having people within government talk to one another?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

We have a positive working relationship with the Y, with the Shelter Network, with the Status of Women, who are all working with us closely to create awareness and work to help reduce and hopefully eliminate family violence here, in the Northwest Territories. We take their input. We have reviewed reports. Recently, a report came out in 2017 from shelter executive directors. We aren't in an echo chamber. I appreciate the Member's pessimism, but we believe this is important. We are working on this. We are working closely with our partners, and we continue to do so.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

This work is so important that, in the last three years, the budget has increased by 5 percent or $172,000. On what basis is the Minister treating this crisis as a crisis?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I just want to make one quick correction. The research that I was referring to was actually conducted by the Aurora Research Institute, and it examined the responses to intimate-partner violence in the Northwest Territories.

With respect to funding, the Member knows how this Assembly works. They know that we have to go through a business planning process, and we have to make a business case for increasing funds. I am proposing that we increase some funding here to the shelters here, in the Northwest Territories, through the next budgeting cycle.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the barges are in crisis, there is money to be found immediately, and the problem is on its way to resolution. Now that we are in the fourth year of this Assembly, the Minister is making a business case for more resources for family violence. I can't say it's too little, too late. Everything is appreciated, but the fact is that this area needs serious attention. It needs new initiatives, and I'm looking for a commitment for the Minister of action, not just talking. Is he able to make that commitment? Mahsi.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

To address family violence is going to take a community. It's going to take multiple departments. The Department of Justice is doing a number of things, as is the Department of Health and Social Services. Education is doing things as far as educating youth. The Department of Health and Social Services alone is spending $2.9 million dollars to fund shelters. We recognize, through work that we've done with them, that this isn't enough, so we will be proposing some increases in that area. On top of that, the Department of Health and Social Services alone spends another $477,000 to support different campaigns like What Will it Take?; different programs like the non-shelter regional protocols teams have been set up, that's $210,000; programs for children who witness violence, $75,000; Territorial Family Violence Shelter Network on top of what we give them, there's another $100,000; and the Family Violence Awareness week is $10,000. I'd hardly say we're doing nothing. I agree we need to do more, and we're committed to doing that, and we will be discussing that through the next budget cycle. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My question is for the Minister of Justice, who is responsible for victim services for this government. Can the Minister explain if there is a plan to expand the current community-based victim services offered through 10 coordinators to all of our communities, and, if not, why not? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Justice.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Member opposite for his questions. There was a review in 2014 of victim service coordinators, and I can advise that this program started out in the late 1990s, with funding initially in two communities in the NWT, Yellowknife and Fort Smith. The Government of the Northwest Territories now provides funding for 11 community-based victim services workers in eight communities, including Yellowknife, Fort Smith, Inuvik, Fort Simpson, Behchoko, Fort Good Hope, Tulita, and Hay River. Workers in those communities also provide victim services to surrounding communities through telephone outreach or in person if necessary.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

I would like to thank the Minister for that information, but I don't think he really answered my question, which was whether we are going to complete this network of community-based victim services in all of the communities we have? It's my understanding, the victim services coordinators, they don't necessarily have access to funding to assist victims or to travel to victims to provide support for basic functions such as getting ready for court appearances. Expenditures seem to require approval of justice staff here, in Yellowknife, who don't seem to be available on a 24-7 basis. Can the Minister explain how victim services coordinators access the Victims of Crime Emergency Fund and whether support is available 24-7?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

In addition to community-based funding, the NWT Victim Services program administers the Victims of Crime Emergency Fund. This fund is intended to assist victims of serious violent crime. It can fund emergency expenses resulting from experiencing serious crime, as well as up to six sessions of emergency counselling with private counsellors to help victims. Secondary victims also deal with the consequences of victimization.

Victim services are provided on a 24-7 basis, but it is not always possible to provide emergency funding at all hours of the day. However, the practice is to provide emergency funding as soon as possible. As I mentioned in my prior answer, we do provide funding for 11 community-based victim services workers in eight communities. I don't know whether we could expand to all communities, but as I mentioned earlier, they do travel to communities outside of the eight.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

I would like to thank the Minister for that information, and we will talk more about completing the network.

The exact duties and job descriptions of the victim services coordinators are not clear, as our government delivers these services through third parties in various communities. It is my understanding that some of these individuals perform many functions above and beyond the call of duty, including cleaning up crime scenes.

Can the Minister explain exactly what type of supports are available for these coordinators and whether there has ever been a review of the effectiveness of these supports?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

We do understand that the victim support workers do an incredible job, and it can be particularly difficult. Support for the program, in order to recruit new workers, was another recommendation referred to in the 2014 report.

They do get annual training opportunities, so there is ongoing training that does take place, and in addition, every year the department holds a significant annual training event, where the training provided is typically as a result of victim services providers' requests. Examples include child court accompaniment, critical incident stress debriefing, compassion fatigue, and self-care.

There is ongoing training, they do receive training, and also, these meetings would assist them in that they can speak with their peers and learn from them.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I would like to thank the Minister for that. I was hoping to hear, though, about whether there is professional counselling available for the coordinators.

The community-based approach to victim services makes a lot of sense, and it has been in place, as the Minister said, since 1996, but clearly, the network of supports and coordinators has never been completed. It is unclear how often reviews have been conducted on victim services. The Minister mentioned a 2014 report. Perhaps he could table that in the House.

Could the Minister tell us, though, is he prepared to conduct a comprehensive review of victim services in the next year, 2019-2020? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I can advise that, in addition to the programs and training that I mentioned earlier, that, starting this year, we are able also to start providing mental health supports above what the employers might provide.

The Member opposite mentioned the 2014 report. I haven't actually read the report. However, five years will have gone by early next year, and we are currently looking at conducting a follow-up next year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Sahtu.

Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my questions on inmate programming and services here, my first question is: does the North Slave Correctional Centre have a main core rehabilitation program designed with submodules? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Justice.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Speaker, there are certain programs that I can speak of.

The Corrections Service has implemented a Substance Abuse Management, SAM, Program, Living Without Violence, and Respectful Relationships programming designed to help inmates with shorter sentences, as well as those serving their sentence in the community.

If I might provide more detail with respect to some of those programs, the SAM Program, Substance Abuse Management Program, was launched in 2016, and it has been delivered 36 times. The Violence Prevention and Living Without Violence Program was launched in 2017 and has been delivered 27 times. The Respectful Relationships program has been delivered 12 times.

These programs have been delivered in various facilities and hopefully will lead to rehabilitation of inmates so that they can rejoin society. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thanks to the Minister for that information there. It is good to see that these are being offered, and I am hoping that the inmates are taking advantage of these opportunities.

My next question, Mr. Speaker: on the issue of trades or GED, can the Minister explain the success on how many inmates have enlisted in these two categories?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

If I might mention some of the programs that we are offering to inmates at NSCC and FSCC: adult literacy and basic education; general education development, GED, I think it is known as; high school exam preparation; trades exam preparation; and life skills. So far, in fiscal 2018-2019, enrollments in education programs are: 38 inmates attending at the NSCC adult unit and 26 inmates attending at FSCC. I should mention also that the programs I mentioned earlier, such as SAM, are also offered in probation offices.

Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

I recall here last year that there were some collaboration efforts on designing a joint program between A New Day and the centre. Can the Minister explain if that is under way?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, I do remember that there was discussion about that so that prisoners or inmates would be aware of the A New Day Program. I believe some progress has been made, and perhaps I could look into that further and give the Member opposite a fuller answer.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, of course, this week is Family Violence Awareness Week, and normally these would be questions steered towards the Minister of Health and Social Services, but today I am going to steer my questions towards the Minister of Finance.

Mr. Speaker, we heard earlier today in the House the discussion between my colleague, the honourable Member of YK Centre, and the Minister of Health and Social Services about financial resources. I would just like to ask the Minister: does the Minister have ways in which he can work with his colleagues at Finance and find some more or maybe some new additional resources that we can put towards this admitted identified crisis of family violence? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Finance.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are all well aware of the negative impacts of family violence across the Northwest Territories through the Social Development Committee of Cabinet. They have been working on trying to come up with some initiatives.

When the departments have initiatives, they come forward to FMB, and they pitch those initiatives, and we, in turn, have a look at them. If we have the financial resources, we look at trying to fund some of the initiatives that are brought forward to FMB. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you to the Minister for identifying a little bit more on the process. Aside from the departments recognizing that they have needs, is Cabinet identifying this as a crisis? Is the Minister of Finance, the lead Minister responsible for funding, will he lead the way in encouraging his Cabinet to support additional funds to help us overcome this identified crisis?

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Of course, Cabinet is aware of the impacts of family violence across the Northwest Territories. Both sides of the House are aware of the negative impacts of family violence across the Northwest Territories. If there are opportunities for us to put some resources to some of the programs to help combat, then, we would be unwise not to. We have heard one of the Members talk before about the percentage that family violence has come down in some particular communities, and I would like to think that is a result of people in the communities starting to take action but, in some cases, there may be the financial resources available to them to try to combat this.

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you to the Minister for reminding us of the great work that the government is doing in all of the respective departments, and I appreciate that we are doing a lot of great things, and it is a large challenge in front of us.

Not long ago, Mr. Speaker, we are all familiar in 2014 with the Truth and Reconciliation report and the calls to action. Maybe I'd like to ask the Minister of Finance given that this is a government-wide, call it an initiative or a recognition with regard to the calls to action, what kind of financial resources is the Minister putting towards these calls to action because they are so interlinked with a lot of the matters that we're dealing with, with regard to family violence?

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

My understanding is that there have been some proposals that have been brought forward. We will have a look at those proposals. We will see if there are opportunities for us to put any financial resources towards them. This is an issue as the Member said that you don't have to look any further in the Northwest Territories to see the legacy of residential schools. We'll do what we can to try and put some resources towards some of the plan. We have to make sure we have a plan first. We can't just throw money at something. We need to make sure that we have a plan, and those resources are being put to good use, and they are actually doing what they are intended to do is to help people deal with some of the legacy of family violence and residential schools. We go through a business planning process. Departments come forward with some of the initiatives that they like to see move forward. We go through a business planning process. We hear back from committee on some of their priorities, and what they like to see some of their resources. We'll continue to work on that, but my understanding is there is a proposal, I believe, that is being brought forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Oral questions. Member for Deh Cho.

Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I was reminded of a circumstance of a person that you might find yourself in, and that's facing a crisis. I was reminded that yesterday in terms of the discussion on child and family services. You face a crisis. Say, like you're in this boat that's sinking, and the captain tells you, well, stay calm and relax. Despite not having a life jacket, you are going to be okay. Yesterday, that's what I was told. Unfortunately, that is the reality and challenges that we are faced with.

My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services. The mandate priority of the 18th Assembly was to address the whole issue of family violence as a crisis, and we've made efforts to address family violence. We look to our Cabinet colleagues, the Minister for their leadership role. I know there's been efforts like the New Day Program, and there is efforts to maintain shelters in each region, communities. Can the Minister update this House, the steps his department has taken to address the mandate priority that we set aside to address family violence? Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a zero-based budget exercise conducted during the 2017-2018 fiscal year was done to help inform a funding model for shelters here, in the Northwest Territories. That work has had significant progress. From there, we will be proposing some increases in the funds available to the shelters throughout the Northwest Territories for the next budget cycle. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

I would like to thank the Minister for his reply. The other question that I have, we need to get beyond the attitudes in terms of the whole crisis of family violence in communities. We need to try to at least have some discussions and some of the cultural, and the barriers that we have to go through. One of the challenges in my view, we need to ensure that the initiatives that we undertake has a wide roll out, that it's not just perhaps, that Yellowknife is basically making statements on family violence. The regions and communities have to be involved. How is the Minister and his department undertaking to ensure that communities and regions are involved and families are involved with the discussion of trying to bring down the rates of family violence?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Once again, the Department of Health and Social Services isn't alone in working to address family violence. We are one of the partner departments that come up with solutions and programs that will help us reduce the incidence of family violence. However, having said that, the Department of Health and Social Services is doing a number of things. One of the things that we do is we fund the, What Will it Take? campaign. In that vein, we are working on some new videos to help address family violence and create awareness. One of them is going to be on consent, and that work is currently being done. There is a video for adults being done, as well as a video for youth, and there is also another video on elder abuse, and the filming is currently being done in early December. That work is being done in Fort Good Hope. There is an advisory group of elders supporting this video, so we are reaching out to people outside of Yellowknife to create more product and more campaigns to help us address this.

Mr. Speaker, we are also working on a shelter awareness campaign. This is an NWT-wide campaign to raise awareness about shelter services and how people can access them. The department does have a contribution agreement with the Hay River Family Support Centre in partnership with the "Y" here in Yellowknife, so once again, we're not just relying on input from those in Yellowknife, but input from those across the Northwest Territories who are on the front lines of addressing family violence.

We are doing the work, Mr. Speaker. We are doing the work. Obviously, more needs to be done. We hear you, and we are planning to make some improvements starting the next fiscal year when we make the proposal to increase funding for shelters.

Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Throughout my thoughts, my statement, and the questions that I have, I wanted to come to a common understanding, and I wanted to hear some good news. Get a status in terms of whether indeed we are addressing our mandate, and look and to see if there's ways from this side of the House we could help the leadership in terms of the Minister leading the charge against addressing family violence in the North. I think we have to get beyond the whole stage of denial and admit that we have a problem, and that's a big challenge that I see. Has the Minister, in his eyes, ensured that this is crisis levels that warrants a crisis response? Is the Minister confident that we have done all that we can to address family violence?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

There are societal issues around this, and that we need to do more, and we need to continue to work together to destroy the stigma that exists around family violence. We have heard positive statements about the work we're doing with What Will it Take?, but we acknowledge that we need to continue to evolve and develop more programs and more awareness around family violence, which is why we are moving forward with these new videos that talk about consent. One is being done for adults; one is being done for youth. We're also talking about elder abuse, as it falls under family violence, and we are working with partners. We are trying to bring more. This is what we are proposing for this particular budget cycle, but there will be more. We have to continue to evolve, we have to continue to get the message out there, and we have to continue to work together.

Mr. Speaker, we have a number of videos out already, and I would strongly encourage the Member and all Members to re-distribute these videos through your social media campaigns, through your social media means. We need to work together to get the message out there and continue to destroy the stigma, break it down and have people talk about it. The more people are fighting against it, the better the results will be. It's going take all of us, Mr. Speaker. What Will it Take?

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Oral questions. Member for Deh Cho.

Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Masi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my final question is more likely to be two questions. The first question would be: does the Minister feel we have done all we can to address our priority in the 18th Assembly by addressing family violence? Or does he also feel that this whole challenge would probably flow into the 19th Assembly? Masi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

The Member is asking for an opinion regarding a Minister's feelings. I will allow the Minister to respond if he wishes.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, domestic violence and family violence in the Northwest Territories is a long-standing problem, and we, as an Assembly, we as a group of 19 Members, have made it a mandate item. To that end, we have done work to develop a formula, and we've also improved and increased the amount of information we have out there to help break down the stigma.

Mr. Speaker, in the life of this Assembly, we are intending to and we will increase the funding that we provide to shelters. Is it, alone, enough to solve the problem of family violence here, in the Northwest Territories? Absolutely not, but it is an important part of the puzzle, as is creating additional awareness. One of the Members earlier today talked about forming another committee.

Mr. Speaker, we have relationships with important organizations that are doing important things to curb family violence here, in the Northwest Territories. The Department of Justice is doing a number of things as well. Do I think we've solved the problem of domestic violence in this Assembly? Absolutely not. Do I think we've taken important steps to help address it? Absolutely. Can more be done, and will more be done? Absolutely.

This is going to continue into the next Assembly because we're not going to find that magical light switch that turns off domestic violence. It's going to take all of us championing together, working together, getting the message out there, and opposing all those that are committing domestic violence, and telling them that it's wrong and that they need to take account for their actions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a few questions for the Minister of Infrastructure, in regards to the Willow River Bridge near Aklavik. Mr. Speaker, a lot of work has been done over the last number of years. I'd actually like to thank the department for the contributions they have given us over the years. Mr. Speaker, it's not as simple as just buying a bridge and putting it in place, even though it sounds that easy. Mr. Speaker, there is a lot of planning and engineering that has been completed to date, permits are in place, and we're now at the final stages for installing the bridge. Now, all we need is the proper funding to ensure that this work is actually done and the bridge is installed. So will the Minister continue to work with the community of Aklavik and their working group to secure funds to put the Willow River Bridge in place? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Infrastructure.

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is there are still some outstanding issues with the Willow River Bridge; there is still some engineering work that needs to be completed, environmental approvals and permits that need to be put into place. What I can tell the House is, when the Premier and I were in Inuvik a couple of weeks ago, we took the time to meet with the Mayor and the regional director that we have for the northern region, to sit down and have a conversation about the challenges with getting this bridge completed. We've committed the regional director to sit down with all the proponents in Aklavik to have these discussions to see how we can move this project forward.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, like I mentioned in my opening comments, the engineering and planning has been completed and the permits are in place, so will the Minister commit to completing the Willow River Bridge by the end of the winter?

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

I will gladly sit down with the Member and make sure that the engineering work and the environmental approvals and permits are in place, but it's not Infrastructure's place to fund the completion of this bridge. We're going to have to figure out where we are going to get this money. I know from our bilaterals that we signed that there's a possibility that we can actually use something out of the bilateral around community funding with the Minister of MACA. We might have to have a look at that and what is going forward. We will continue to help support this initiative moving forward. If this work that the Member is stating is completed, it must have just been done here lately. We're certainly going to have to sit down and figure out a way as to how we're going to be able to fund this thing.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, the Minister is a professional at finding funds for projects like this. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister knows, we have a short window to do this construction up near Aklavik because we don't have an all-season road there at this moment but our work needs to be done within the winter months. So we have a short window of about three to four months. Mr. Speaker, it's very important that we have this money to complete this bridge. We're at the final stages, like I mentioned, so, now more than ever, we need this funding to complete this work. I'm glad the Minister is willing to sit down with the community, and I'm sure, once we do our tour there, we'll be able to sit down. However, would the Minister be willing to meet within the next couple of days? I know he's travelling tomorrow, but we have this evening to meet with our community leader who is actually in the community, in the city, at the moment, so will he commit to a meeting this evening?

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

I think the Member offered to buy me supper, so I'm coming. I can make time to meet with the MLA and the community leader after session today. Well, we have a meeting after session, but this evening. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Hay River North.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier, like many other Members, I spoke about the crisis of family violence and the need for the GNWT to mobilize like it's actually addressing the crisis. I heard that the government is undertaking cross-jurisdictional analyses of best practices, but I'm afraid that's not the silver bullet that is going to address this problem. So, in the meantime, we need to support the organizations that are on the front line, supporting the victims of family violence. One of those organizations is the Family Support Centre in Hay River. They provide a safe space for people fleeing family violence. They've had to demolish their old site, and they're right now working out of a temporary site. However, there is this Federal National Housing Strategy money, the Co-Investment Fund, that seems tailor-made for organizations like this. One of the necessary partners in this is the GNWT, and that's flowing through the Housing Corporation. I brought this to the Minister's attention, and they've reached out to the Family Support Centre, and the Housing Corporation has been working with the Family Support Centre. I'd like an update from the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation on what work has been done to date. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the Member that some of our partners, our stakeholders, non-governmental organizations, that are on the front line doing the work for people, as we heard today, there were a lot of statements on victim services, and I appreciate the work that the Hay River Family Support Centre has been doing. I do know that the Member has brought this up before, especially when the federal government made the announcement on the Co-Investment Fund. He was on top of that and wanted to see what we can do in terms of partnering with the Hay River Family Support Centre.

I am committed, and I have gotten my staff to go and have a meeting with the Hay River Family Support Centre, as well as having chats with the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, to ensure that all the application guidelines and requirements are met. We are going to be having a meeting in the coming weeks to make sure that the application is done properly and that those types of funds that the Family Support Centre is looking for has been done properly so that they can have an opportunity to secure those funds.

I know it has taken a little bit of a long time, but as I mentioned, I am committed to working with the Member, working with the Hay River Family Support Centre, and making sure my staff is in contact with them to get their building up and running again so that they can provide the services for their community members. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

I appreciate that answer. I know the Minister stated that it is taking a long time, and with this federal money, there is a lot of information that they need. I appreciate that the department is helping the Family Support Centre get that information, but I think everyone would like to see this move a little quicker.

On the first day back of the sitting, I said I am here to light a fire under Cabinet, so that is what I am trying to do. Can we get things moving a little quicker? What kind of timeline can we expect before we actually see money start rolling out and we can see shovels in the ground?

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

I answered some questions last week in terms of how we had gotten shortchanged on the Northern Housing Fund. We are continuing to work with the federal government to ensure that we secure funding from them so that we can have strong partnerships.

I have always said that one of the strong points of the Housing Corporation is developing those partnerships. I have made two statements in the House about working with the Tlicho government, as well as working with the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation. This is another partnership that I want to get on, and we are just waiting to get some of these details, sign our bilaterals with the federal government, so we get that money flowing, so it goes to the communities, so it goes to initiatives such as the Family Support Centre, homelessness initiatives, housing initiatives, and we are continuing to put that pressure on the federal government.

I am committed to making sure that we get that funding so that our residents have a roof over their heads, our NGOs have a roof over their heads, so that they can provide these good programs. I just want to let the Member know that I don't have a timeline in place. We are still working with the federal government to ensure that we get that funding flowing to our government and then to the communities, as well as the Indigenous organizations and working with our NGOs.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

I appreciate that answer. The Minister mentioned a lot of things there, homelessness, poverty, and often what accompanies family violence are situations like homelessness and poverty. It is not just the Family Support Centre in Hay River that provides support; there are also places like the soup kitchen, and they are also in need of a new building. This co-investment fund could be used for them as well. I have spoken with them a bit about it.

Would the Minister be willing to get his department to reach out to the soup kitchen in Hay River to see if he can also work with them to get an application in for a new building with this co-investment fund?

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

The NWT Housing Corporation has a lot of programs that we initiate to assist places like the soup kitchen. One of the ones that comes to mind is the Small Community Homelessness Fund, in terms of providing O and M for such organizations like that. I know we have other departments that provide O and M costs, whether it's for a soup kitchen or the Family Support Centre.

However, if we are looking at infrastructure investments, it is on an application base. We are working with CMHC, as well as our other stakeholders to look at investing in certain infrastructure projects like that. I would encourage the staff, the board, and the Member to maybe sit down with myself, and we can see what we can do moving forward, but we are committed to working with our stakeholders, our NGOs, Indigenous governments, to address some of these issues.

Like I mentioned, we are going to continue to put pressure on the federal government so that we get dollars that can actually go out into the communities to provide homes and provide infrastructure and projects for our residents of the Northwest Territories.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Hay River North.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I arrange something between the soup kitchen and the Housing Corporation, can the Housing Corporation sit down with the board and figure out how to move forward with this? This co-investment fund, it is a big application. The feds want a lot of information, and the Housing Corporation has been good at helping navigate that.

If I set something up, will he commit that his department can sit down and see how the soup kitchen can access this money to get a new building? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

From my understanding, the soup kitchen that the Member is referencing does do a lot of programs for a lot of people in the community, and I know that they probably do need more space to allow people to go in and have a meal. It would be a proposal, an application base, as I mentioned earlier with the Hay River Family Support Centre.

We are working with that organization, as well as CMHC, to make sure that all the application guidelines are understood and that the requirements are met so that they can meet the requirements to get funding. We would have to see a proposal, we would have to sit down, and I think that is the next step we take from this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week and yesterday I was asking questions of the Minister of Lands. He has informed me through an email about his department and regional staff, and they are doing a great job. I have to give the regional staff kudos for the job that they are doing. They have met with Acho Dene, and tomorrow they will be meeting with the DFN.

Will the Minister, after his staff has a meeting with these two IGOs, will he be willing to provide that presentation to us so that we can now share it with other people? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Lands.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned yesterday, we did send a series of letters out to IGOs, and we are commencing engagement with them. We want to build a good relationship with them, and to that end, I don't think there would be much benefit in making the document or our plans public at this stage.

I know that some information has been provided to committee as to our plans with respect to this complex matter. We are just at stage one, which involves consulting with and hearing from Aboriginal groups, and we don't want to do anything that might adversely affect that important relationship. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I thank the Minister for the non-answer again. It is really discouraging, very discouraging, to see this government is downloading on the IGOs. They are saying, "Here you go. Here you go." They are not taking responsibility. We are trying to get information out there.

The Minister said it was stage one or step one. Will the Minister please explain how many stages there are through this since we get this information out there? How many stages are there? The Minister talks about a letter; it is stamped confidential, so we can't even share this information.

Can the Minister tell us how many stages are there?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

There are several stages, and we are only at stage one.

Now, the Member opposite has talked about the information and the plans that we do have. We do not want to intervene between Aboriginal groups and their members. We are consulting with them. They, doubtless, will pass on information to their members. I don't think it would be appropriate or sensible for us to intervene between leadership and members.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I hear the Minister saying you don't want to get in between the IGOs and their members. Well, some of those members actually are constituents of mine. They are asking me these questions. The trapper that is out there has a cabin there. He sometimes doesn't go to these meetings, but the Minister wants the DFN or the Acho Dene First Nations to go out there and get that information. When the Minister talks about several stages, is it 100 stages? Is it four stages? Is it 10 stages? Can the Minister tell us how many stages are there and what the final result will be?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I mentioned that we do not want to intervene between the Aboriginal groups, Aboriginal governments, and their members. It is important that the leadership hears from us as to what our plans are, consults with us, and then deals directly with their members. I think that we do not want to intervene between those two groups of leadership and members. The Member asked about how many stages. There are several stages. We are just at the first stage. Our ultimate goal is to resolve this very complex issue, but we are only at stage one.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Stage one, is that the only number he knows? Really, I have asked the question: how many stages are there? Stage one, yes. We know that. We are trying to find out how many stages are there. Is it 100? At the end of the day, who makes the final decision on, what is it called? Rights-based cabins. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

There are far less, Mr. Speaker, than 100 steps. I am pleased to advise the House, [English translation not provided].

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Item 8, written questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the following questions concerning the performance of the NWT Liquor and Cannabis Commission, addressed to the honourable Minister of Finance:

1. What are the total sales of cannabis products by the NWT Liquor and Cannabis Commission and its vendors by quantity, price, volume, and number of customers;

2. What are the total sales of each individual cannabis product by the NWT Liquor and Cannabis Commission and its vendors by quantity, price, volume, and number of customers;

3. What is the quantity and type of cannabis products distributed to each cannabis vendor by the NWT Liquor and Cannabis Commission in the Northwest Territories; and

4. What are the total sales of cannabis products purchased through the NWT Liquor and Cannabis commission online store by quantity, price, volume, and number of customers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to the Commissioner's opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Minister of Environment and Natural Resources.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document entitled "Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 385-18(3): Community Landfills and Waste Disposal." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Minister responsible for Workers' Safety Compensation.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that, on Friday, October 26, 2018, I will move that Bill 25, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Notices of motion for first reading of bills. Minister of Finance.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that, on Friday, October 26, 2018, I will move that Bill 26, Statistics Act, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Minister's Statement 19-18(3), Aurora College Foundational Review Process; Minister's Statement 103-18(3), Marine Transportation Services; Tabled Document 215-18(3), Capital Estimates, 2019-2020; Tabled Document 255-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019; Tabled Document 256-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations), No. 3, 2018-2019, with Member for Hay River North in the chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

I now call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee? Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, committee would like to take into consideration Tabled Document 255-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019, and Tabled Document 256-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations), No. 3, 2018-2019. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. We will consider the documents after a brief recess.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

I'll call Committee of the Whole back to order. Committee, we have agreed to consider Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019. I will turn to the Minister of Finance for any opening remarks you may have. Minister McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I am here to present Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures) No. 3, 2018-2019. This document provides for an increase of $4.6 million to the capital budget.

The items in these supplementary estimates include:

  • $4.8 million to commence work for three projects related to the Mackenzie Valley All-season Road project. These expenditures will be partially offset by funding from the National trade Corridors Fund.
  • $400,000 for the planning study for the mid-life upgrade and retrofit to the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre. These expenditures will be partially offset by funding from the federal government.
  • A decrease of $642,000 to reflect changes in the timing of the expenditures of the Fish Processing Plant project. This decrease is offset by an equivalent increase in expenditures in 2019-2020.

That concludes my opening remarks, Mr. Chair. I would be pleased to answer any questions Members may have. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Do you wish to bring witnesses into the House?

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

I would, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber. Minister, you may take your place at the witness stand. Minister McLeod, would you please introduce your witnesses for the record.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, to my right, I have Mr. David Stewart who is the deputy minister, Department of Finance. To my left, I have Mr. Sandy Kalgutkar, who is the deputy secretary to the FMB. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Welcome back to the witnesses. Committee, I will open the floor to general comments on Supplementary Estimates. General comments on the Supplementary Estimates. We are discussing Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures). First, I have Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is an increase of $4.6 million to the capital budget. Can the Minister provide the impact to the supplementary reserve for infrastructure expenditures? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, of the $4.6 million, we have 3.7 being offset by funding from the federal government, and the net impact on the supplementary reserve would be approximately $1.5 million. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

After the 1.5 million is expended, what is the total remaining balance in the supplementary reserve? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. At this point, it would be a negative $1.3 million.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. What is the process for resolving that deficit? Can the Minister just explain where that money will come from? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

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Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. As well as a supplementary reserve for infrastructure, we also have one for operations funding, and then there is an estimate that goes into the Main Estimates on how much will be lapsed by departments over the year. As part of the public accounts process, all of that is reconciled, and we will know whether we end up with a different cash position than what was forecast at the time of the main estimates. It is really after the end of the fiscal year, and we get a final accounting of all three of those pots that we will be able to know what the impact would be overall on the cash position. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Is the Minister confident that we have sufficient flexibility through lapsed funding, through supplementary reserves, that this balance will be reconciled without requiring an additional appropriation? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we are about halfway through the year, but we are pretty confident that we will be able to reconcile.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you. Nothing further, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Next, I have Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. My colleague from Kam Lake asked the questions I was going to. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Next, for general comments on the infrastructure expenditures supplementary estimate, I have Mr. McNeely?

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Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the appropriation, I just shared my recent trips, and recent trip here over the last couple of days here to finish off the engagement session for two of the communities that were postponed here back in mid-August. When I review the presentations here made by the infrastructure project team to the public and the leaders, advising them that this would be the schedule, knowing the fact that some of the workload is only accessible for this winter, or any other winter for that matter.

I view this bill or this approval process as a timely one to support the work program that is being proposed to get off the road and running here this coming January. Hopefully, by that time, they would have their permits to support the geotechnical needed to support these two particular sites in the Sahtu, one being the Bear River bridge and the other being the Oscar Creek bridge relocation. I just share that information there, how this would support the execution of the workload. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Would the Minister care to respond?

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I appreciate the Member's comments, and it is one of the reasons that we debate the capital budget in the fall time, so that, once it is approved, if it is approved, then that gives time for planning, and, if those are successful and get contracts through this process, then they can take advantage of the winter roads and have their planning to have a lot of their material into their respective communities in a timely fashion. We have run into some issues in the past where, in the old capital budget planning process, we would approve a budget and then contractors would go and get material. I think we had one incident in one community where they didn't get their material until November the 1st. That caused some delays.

I know the timing is critical to those who are hoping to secure some of the work through the funds that are appropriated through the capital budget planning process, but, again, I appreciate the Member's comments. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Anything further from Mr. McNeely?

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Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

None. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Nothing further from Mr. McNeely. Next, Mr. Beaulieu.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm looking at the estimates for Infrastructure, Department of Infrastructure, $4.8 million split between Bear River Bridge, Gaudet Mountain, and an environmental assessment for the MVH. I'm wondering if there is an appropriation in all of these three areas since this is the supplementary for this current year. What is the budget for this current year for, so much the environmental planning, but for the Gaudet Mountain and Bear River Bridge? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. These are general comments, but it's a small sub so I'll go to the Minister and perhaps we can get their questions out of the way.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the figure that you see there is actually the figure that's the only money that was appropriated for these particular projects. Once the planning of that is done, they will be coming forward in 2019-2020 for larger appropriations start the actual building. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Nothing further from Mr. Beaulieu. Next, Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm prepared to go into questions if we've reached that point and if there are no further general comments. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Does committee agree we proceed to the detail?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 6. Comments or questions? If not, I will call this item. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. This is with regard to a planning study for the mid-life upgrade and retrofit to the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre, the museum that is here, in Yellowknife. Can the Minister or his staff explain whether any of this has to do with fire code or building code work that might be required at the museum? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My understanding of the planning study will produce a class C cost estimate and preliminary schematic design. The study will look at a wide range of capital needs for the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre, including the heating, ventilation, and air conditioning; collection storage space quantity and quality; asbestos remediation if any is found; geotechnical assessment of the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage reserve land; security and safety concerns; public access and employee workspace requirements; and aesthetic factors like retail space, accessibility, marketing, and exhibit design. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the list of items that the planning study is going to review. I know that half of the funding is going to come from the federal government. I support this work. I just want to make sure that it gets done in a timely fashion.

What are the prospects that we could obtain federal funding under the Canada Cultural Spaces Fund for the actual mid-life update itself, the renovations that are going to be required? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the federal government announced some monetary funding over two years for the Canadian Culture, CCSF, as part of its 2016 budget. Further, the amount of money was allocated over 10 years in the 2017 budget.

Once we get the planning study and that done and the class C estimate, we will be in a better position to know exactly what we are looking for from the federal government. There are opportunities for us to put applications in to try leverage more federal funding to help with this project. We will certainly pursue that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that from the Minister. Do we know when the study is going to be finished, and is it something that can be shared with Regular MLAs? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The anticipation is that we will attempt to have the study done during this fiscal year, and we would be pleased to give committee regular updates as we move along in this process. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that. I look forward to getting a copy of the final study.

Can the Minister tell us: is there anything for the museum mid-life update or upgrade in renovations in the 20-year capital plan? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. I believe there's a small that's allocated in the capital estimates. I'm not exactly quite sure what the number is, but, as we get into the debate on the capital estimates, I'm sure we will have a better idea of the money that may have been allocated to any work that needs to be done. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, this is a comment more than anything else. Look, I support this work. I want it done, and I want it done quickly. We want to avoid at all costs what happened to the National Museum in Brazil, and I'm not saying we are going there, but there's a lot of heritage value and culture tied up in the facility here, in Yellowknife. It does support regional facilities, as well. We want to make sure that our museum is up to code and fully protected and provides the kinds of services and programs that our citizens deserve. I support this, and I urge the Minister, along with his colleague, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, to get on and get this work done. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. I will take it as a comment. Next, I have Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you to my colleague from Frame Lake for his line of questioning.

Mine is along the lines of that project, as well, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the Prince of Wales Heritage Centre, itself. I just want to dig deeper a little bit into the -- I'm going to assume that while we are calling it a planning study, it seems to me like this is a little bit more of what the government typically undertakes as being a technical evaluation of an asset. Although we are appropriating $400,000 additional, the total appropriation is for just over a million dollars. It seems concerning to me that class C for a million dollars on a mid-life technical evaluation is a considerable amount of money. Even $400,000, quite frankly, is a considerable amount of money.

What are we missing that we are not going to get in this evaluation? How can we not, with this kind of money, bring the evaluation to a tighter, I'll call it, "estimate," maybe hopefully get like a Class B level estimate that we can consider? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, that may well be. I mean, we do a class C estimate, and if there are opportunities there to upgrade that estimate to get a more accurate indication of the type of funds we need, if it falls within the money that we have appropriated, I think we should go in that direction. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you to the Minister for the reply.

One of the things that I would advocate for strongly, and we are going to see potentially some discussion about this in future budget deliberations, I would like to see the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre be considered as a building that we might connect with others, including the Legislative Assembly, say, City Hall, DND, and the RCMP, with regard to developing a district energy system.

Could that be something that this technical evaluation on planning study undertakes, or in fact, would we be expecting to undertake that kind of a review when we are talking about the mechanical and heating system? Can we consider that connection with a potential district heating system? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am not sure of the exact detail. I would have to have a conversation, or we would have to have a conversation with Infrastructure to see what their scope might include. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. What I would encourage, maybe, then, is to have the Minister reach out to the appropriate Cabinet colleagues and maybe also the Capital Site Area Planning Committee, because I believe that this is an undertaking that they are giving consideration to, taking a number of these buildings in the area and try to connect them under a district energy system.

As it relates to our Energy Strategy and our Climate Change Strategic Framework, I think this would check off a lot of boxes for us. While we are using these kinds of resources to do this kind of a technical evaluation, it would only seem that, through an economy of scale and for other reasons, it would be the right time to see if we could connect the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre to a district energy system, one in which the Capital Site Area Plan is already kind of working toward. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

I am not sure that there was a question there; it was more of a comment. As I said before, we will have a conversation with the appropriate parties to see what their exact scope of work is, and if there are opportunities to expand on that, we will have those conversations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Seeing no further comments, I will call this item. Education, Culture and Employment, capital investment expenditures, culture, heritage and languages, not previously authorized, $400,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Education, Culture and Employment, capital investment expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $400,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 7, Industry, Tourism and Investment. Comments or questions?

Seeing none, I will call this item. Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, economic diversification and business support, not previously authorized, negative $642,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, negative $642,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to the last page. Infrastructure. Comments, questions? Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Our government, I guess, is partnering and getting some money from the federal government to proceed with parts of the Mackenzie Valley Highway. Can the Minister explain what the status is of the Mackenzie Valley Highway Environmental Assessment that is before the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I didn't quite hear what the Member had to say. I apologize. Part of the next capital budget, maybe we will put an allocation in for new earpieces, but I believe Mr. Kalgutkar heard that, so I will ask Mr. Kalgutkar to respond. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Kalgutkar.

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Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is my understanding that the department is still in the very early days of planning the work required on the environmental process for the Mackenzie Valley Highway, and I think, once this appropriation gets approved, the work will start ramping up relatively shortly. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. The environmental assessment has been going on since 2013. The last letter from our government on the public registry is dated May 18, 2016. That is two and a half years ago.

I want this work to go ahead probably as much as anybody else in this House, but unless we sort out how this work fits in with what the review board is doing and the legislation prevents work from going ahead, that is an environmental assessment.

What is the department doing to get this sorted out with the review board so that the work can go ahead? The last correspondence from our government on the review board website is May 18, 2016. What are they doing to sort this out? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister McLeod has indicated that he would like Minister Schumann to answer. Minister Schumann.

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Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As I stated in the House when we were talking about this earlier in the week, Department of Infrastructure staff has been meeting with the regulatory boards, including the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board, to discuss next steps. Those discussions are ongoing.

We are trying to figure out a way to proceed in terms of the environmental assessment, considering that we don't get funding for the whole road. I have stated in the House that the bridge is a totally separate and permitted issue, so that is outside of the scope of the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

Those discussions are ongoing. We want to be able to take those discussions and go to the Indigenous governments to figure out next steps going forward within the other organizations as well. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Given that the Minister of Finance and Minister of Infrastructure are looking for an appropriation for 2018-2019, when is the specific work for, say, the Mount Gaudet access road supposed to start? Is the intention to start it in 2018-2019? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister McLeod would like this to go to Minister Schumann again. Minister Schumann.

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Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Our intention is that we have to see what the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board has to say first, concerning next steps for us. As I said, the bridge is our priority going forward in the next coming year. We believe that is the number one priority, and we will continue to work with the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board, Indigenous governments, and other stakeholders to figure out how we are going to do Mount Gaudet going forward. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I guess I want to encourage the Minister to sort this out as soon as possible. This isn't the first time I have raised it with him; this is probably the third or fourth time, and there is nothing that has appeared on the review board website about this in the public registry. Maybe there is something happening behind the scenes, but if the department intends to get this work done, they need to sort this out ASAP with the review board. You cannot start work that is within the scope of the environmental assessment. That's the law. They need to sort this out. I would just encourage the Minister to do that as quickly as possible. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Next, I have Mr. McNeely.

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Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I support this appropriation, knowing that they are putting a budget there with the three categories of work, exercise, so I'm satisfied with the numbers, and basically just stating my support. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. McNeely, for that comment. Next, I have Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. When Minister Schumann talked about, you know, the priorities and that, so can the Minister of Finance explain to us what the Mount Gaudet Access Road, what that money is going to be used for? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. The exact details, I don't have at my disposal, but I do know that part of it, I think, was for planning, studying, and construction of the 15-kilometre all-weather road from Wrigley north to Mount Gaudet Access Road. As for the exact details, I would have to make a commitment to the Member that I will have a conversation with Infrastructure and be sure we provide those. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I thank the Minister for the commitment. I have no further questions. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Seeing nothing further from committee, I will call this item. Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, asset management, not previously authorized, $4,818,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Infrastructure, capital investment expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $4,818,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Do we agree that we have concluded consideration of Tabled Document 255-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No.3, 2018-2019?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Thank you to the Minister. Thank you to the witnesses. Sergeant-at-Arms, you may escort the witnesses from the Chamber. Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Mr. Chair, I move that consideration of Tabled Document 255-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019, be now concluded, and that Tabled Document 255-18(3) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. There is a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

--Carried

Committee, we have next agreed to consider Tabled Document 256-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019. Once again, I will turn to the Minister of Finance for any opening comments. Minister McLeod.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I am here to present Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019. This document provides for an increase of $4.4 million to the operations budget.

The major items included in these supplementary estimates are:

  • $1.9 million for implementation activities directly related to the legalization and regulation of cannabis. These expenditures will be partially offset by funding from the federal government.
  • $1.2 million for compensation and benefits costs pursuant to the Standard Physician Contract, 2016-2021.
  • $728 thousand to support the delivery of the Investing in Canada Infrastructure Plan. These expenditures are fully offset by revenues from the federal government.
  • $389 thousand for increased costs related to the Deline Self-Government Financing Agreement.

That concludes my opening remarks, Mr. Chair, and I would be pleased to answer any questions the Members may have. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Do you have witnesses?

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, I do, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber. Minister, please take your seat at the witness table. Minister, would you please introduce your witnesses for the record.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, to my right, I have Mr. David Stewart, who is the deputy minister of Finance. To my left, I have Mr. Sandy Kalgutkar, who is the deputy secretary to the FMB. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Welcome back to the witnesses. Committee, I will open the floor to general comments. If you have questions about the detail contained within the document, please save it for the appropriate page. General comments. I will begin with Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Of the $4.4 million, how much of that is offset by federal funding? Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. $1.85 million. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. What is the impact to the supplemental reserve for operation expenditures after, should this supplementary appropriation pass? Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have just under $14 million. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Just a point of clarification. Is it $14 million currently or $14 million after the supplementary appropriation? Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, my apologies. I should have put in after supplementary No. 3, so it's $14 million after supplementary No. 3. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you. After the fiscal year, the supplementary reserve, does it get rolled back into general revenues and used to correct, let's say, deficit in the infrastructure; supplementary reserve? Is that the standard practice with these funds? Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I wouldn't characterize it as being rolled back in, but it's expenditures that aren't undertaken, so there would be that much cash left over in terms of the draw on our overall revenue. It would affect our overall cash position at the end of the year. It would just be that money would be left and we wouldn't have as large of negative cash position if we had that left over at the end of the year. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you. Nothing further.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. I see no more general comments. Does committee agree we move into the detail?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 4. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Really, I just want to share a comment that I'm happy to see that the Government of the Northwest Territories is providing some additional matching dollars here as a contribution from the Government of the Northwest Territories towards the Arctic Inspiration Prize. I think this is an organization that does a lot of great work in supporting good concepts, good ideas, and a lot of successful initiatives that we have seen serve the Northwest Territories over the years. I'm happy to see that the Government of the Northwest Territories continues to make contribution to the Arctic Inspiration Prize and most grateful to Arnold Witzig and his wife, the philanthropic family who started our Arctic Inspiration Prize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Executive and Indigenous Affairs, operations expenditures, Indigenous and intergovernmental affairs, not previously authorized, $50,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Executive and Indigenous Affairs, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $50,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 5. Department of Finance. Seeing no comments or questions, I will call this item. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, it looks like there are a number of, perhaps, communications efforts, positions identified on this page in relation to cannabis implementation. Can the Minister or staff give us a summary on what this is all about? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. There are three positions related to this activity. Two of them are related to the implementation of cannabis sales and distribution, so they will be involved in the review of any vendor applications that we get to open additional locations; they will also be involved in the overall corporate cannabis-related activities; and then, thirdly, to support the future policy changes. The federal government has indicated that there will be some decisions made around things like edibles, for example, within the year, and that will require some additional policy work.

The second area, the second major area, which is the third position, is around capacity to address workplace-related issues associated with cannabis. So, the WSCC has amended the Safety Act around defining and prohibiting impairment at work, and they require, then, a policy development and guidelines around "fit to work" that we're in the process of developing now. That position will take on the responsibility of advice and support around that new policy and other labour relations issues associated with cannabis, as well as developing some training materials for managers, to help with the implementation of the fit to work policy. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, of the $494,000 that's not previously authorized, how much of this is federal money and how much of it is going to be coming out of the liquor revolving fund? Or where does it come from? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is through an appropriation as opposed to through a revolving fund, and this is one component where there aren't federal dollars to offset this. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So maybe I'll start with: can the Minister or staff tell us what the federal amount is out of the $494,000? Or is that what it's going to cost our government? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister?

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, that's what it's going to cost our government. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So how is it decided whether an appropriation is used for this or whether it should come out of the liquor and cannabis revolving fund? Are there criteria for those? And can the Minister share those with us? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, the amounts around implementation that are being charged against the revolving fund are specific to activities around sales and distribution. So, for example, the e-commerce platform that was developed to sell cannabis online will be dealt with through the revolving fund. These ones are broader-type support for issues that are really future policy work in some cases, like the edibles as they come on, as well the overall coordination of activities, as the Member is probably aware. There are other departments that are also engaged in activities related to cannabis in terms of education and community engagement in those sorts of things. So what's going to the revolving fund are the specifics related to the sales and distribution. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Okay. I'm just trying to figure out how all of this is supposed to work and whether the revenues that are generated from the sales are actually going to cover all of our costs or not. Does the department have any kind of sense of that? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, obviously, we're fairly early into days of the legalization. We've done some estimates around the expected volumes for cannabis sales, and, based on the pricing model that was used, we certainly think that it will add to the overall amount that comes back from the revolving fund into general revenues and would be able to cover off these types of expenditures. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly? Nothing further from Mr. O'Reilly. Nothing further from committee. I will call this item. Finance, operations expenditures, directorate, not previously authorized, $147,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Finance, operations expenditures, human resources, not previously authorized, $200,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Finance, operations expenditures, management board secretariat, not previously authorized, $147,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Finance, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $494,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 6. Health and Social Services. Comments or questions on this $2.5 million ask? Ms. Green.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, under Community Health Programs, I see that there's an expenditure to provide funding for an extension of a grant in-kind related to the renewal of the lease with the Young Women's Christian Association for the Rock Hill Apartments. Can the Minister give us an update on the status of that grant in-kind, given the fact that the building has burned down? Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you for that question. Ms. Green, could you please hold on to that? We need to take about a five-minute recess.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

I will call Committee of the Whole back to order. Sorry about that committee. A bit of a document mix-up. Ms. Green, would you please ask your question again?

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

That's a trick question because the page now looks different.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Is there anything further to page 6, Health and Social Services? Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

This is a point of order, Mr. Chair. Could you call the page again with the correct total appropriation?

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. The page hasn't been called yet, but we are discussing page 6, Health and Social Services, total appropriation of $1.977 million. Ms. Green.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the Government of the Northwest Territories has supported the YWCA with a grant in kind by making the Rockhill Apartment available through the Transitional Housing Program, and it is my understanding that this grant in kind has been deleted because the building burned down. Could the Minister confirm that is the case?

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Ms. Green. Minister.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That is correct.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Ms. Green.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you for that confirmation. I don't really have any further questions on this point. I have a comment that there will need to be, I think, some help for the YWCA to continue the Transitional Housing Program, but I realize that it is not covered in this supp. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Ms. Green. Anything further from committee? Seeing none, I will call this page. Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019, Health and Social Services, operations expenditures, ambulatory care services, $457,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Sorry, committee. A bit of a wording error. I have to call that again. Health and Social Services, operations expenditures, ambulatory care services, not previously authorized, $457,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Health and Social Services, operations expenditures, community health programs, not previously authorized, $1,520,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Health and Social Services, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $1,977,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 7, Industry, Tourism and Investment. Comments or questions? Seeing none, I will call this page. Industry, Tourism and Investment, operations expenditures, tourism and parks, not previously authorized, $116,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Industry, Tourism and Investment, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $116,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 8, Infrastructure. Comments or questions? Seeing none, I will call this page. Infrastructure, operations expenditures, corporate management, not previously authorized, $354,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Infrastructure, operations expenditures, programs and services, not previously authorized, $272,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Infrastructure, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $626,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 9, Justice. Seeing no comments or questions, I will call this page. Justice, operations expenditures, community justice and policing, not previously authorized, $75,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Justice, operations expenditures, policing services, not previously authorized, $136,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Justice, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $211,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to the last page of the document, Municipal and Community Affairs. Comments or questions? Seeing none, I will call this page. Municipal and Community Affairs, operations expenditures, community operations, not previously authorized, $313,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Municipal and Community Affairs, operations expenditures, directorate, not previously authorized, $200,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Municipal and Community Affairs, operations expenditures, regional operations, not previously authorized, $389,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Municipal and Community Affairs, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $902,000. Does committee agree?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Do you agree that we have concluded consideration of Tabled Document 256-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Thank you to the Minister. Thank you to the witnesses. Sergeant-at-Arms, you may escort the witnesses from the Chamber. Mr. Testart.

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that consideration of Tabled Document 256-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019, be now concluded and that Tabled Document 256-18(3) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. There is a motion on the floor. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

What is the wish of committee? Mr. Beaulieu.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I move that the chair rise and report progress. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. There is a motion to report progress. Motion is in order, non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

I will rise and report progress.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

May I have the report, Member for Hay River North?

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Tabled Document 255-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019, and Tabled Document 256-18(3), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2018-2019, and would like to report progress with two motions carried and that consideration of Tabled Documents 255-18(3) and 256-18(3) has concluded and that the House concur on those estimates and that an appropriation bill to be based thereon be introduced without delay. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Do we have a seconder? Member for Deh Cho. Motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion carried.

---Carried

Masi. Item 22, third reading of bills. Minister of Finance.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 7, Chartered Professional Accountants Act, be read for the third time. Mr. Speaker, I would request a recorded vote.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. The Member has requested a recorded vote. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Question has been called. All those in favour, please stand.

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Deputy Clerk Of The House Mr. Ball

The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, the Member for Hay River South, the Member for Thebacha, the Member for Hay River North, the Member for Mackenzie Delta, the Member for Sahtu, the Member for Yellowknife North, the Member for Kam Lake, the Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, the Member for Nahendeh, the Member for Frame Lake, the Member for Yellowknife Centre, the Member for Deh Cho, the Member for Nunakput, the Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, the Member for Range Lake, the Member for Great Slave, the Member for Yellowknife South.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

All those opposed, please stand. All those abstained, please stand. Masi. The results of the recorded vote: 18 in favour; 0 against; 0 abstentions.

---Carried

Item 22, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, item 23, orders of the day

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Deputy Clerk Of The House Mr. Ball

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise that the meeting of the Board of Management will resume at rise of the House in Committee Room A. Orders of the day for Thursday, October 25, 2018, 1:30 p.m.:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Acknowledgements

7. Oral Questions

8. Written Questions

9. Returns to Written Questions

10. Replies to the Commissioner's Opening Address

11. Petitions

12. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

13. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

14. Tabling of Documents

15. Notices of Motion

16. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

17. Motions

18. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 24, An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act

19. Second Reading of Bills

20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Ministers Statement 19-18(3), Aurora College Foundational Review Process

- Ministers Statement 103-18(3), Marine Transportation Services

- Tabled Document 215-18(3), Capital Estimates, 2019-2020

21. Report of Committee of the Whole

22. Third Reading of Bills

23. Orders of the Day

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Thursday, October 25, 2018, 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 5:12 p.m.