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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is nice to be heard. We spend a lot of time speaking in this House, so it is nice that the Minister is taking this matter seriously. I look forward to seeing the feasibility study. I appreciate that this appropriation is largely to improve the quality of service available at the Yellowknife courthouse to those seeking mediation and, also, to improve security conditions for the staff there, and for those reasons, I am supportive of this.

My only concern is that if we are spending money in a feasibility study, let's make sure that it is actually going somewhere and not just a project we are going to shelve, like we have already done with a Yellowknife courthouse project. If we can avoid that in the future and actually make a decision about this, I know that can be difficult, but we are the only jurisdiction in Canada without a stand-alone courthouse. My understanding, as well, is that the federal government has contributed to courthouse projects in the past, so I think that there are options out there for the Minister to consider.

I know the proposal is taking the P3 approach, so I look forward to that coming proposal, because, quite frankly, every study we have done on our situation with the Yellowknife Courthouse has shown that it is not good value for money, and that is one of the reasons we are here, to protect the taxpayer's interest and ensure that we have good value for money in our projects. This appropriation, if we continue to do this, I don't think it is good value for money. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Justice, court services, infrastructure investments, $341,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to page 48. I will call the departmental total. Justice, total capital estimates, $4,341,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Thank you to the Minister and the witnesses. Sergeant-at-Arms, you may escort the witnesses from the Chamber.

Committee, we have agreed to next consider the NWT Housing Corporation, which begins on page 66 of the capital estimates. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber.

Minister Moses, would you please introduce your witnesses?

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On my left is Tom Williams, president and CEO of the NWT Housing Corporation, and on my right is Mr. Jim Martin, vice president, finance and infrastructure for the NWT Housing Corporation. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. There is a single item in this department. We will defer the departmental total. Actually, committee, just to get things right here, does committee agree with that we have concluded consideration of the Department of Justice?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. We will now move on to the Housing Corporation. The total capital estimates are on page 66, but the detail starts on page 67. There is a project listing on page 68. I will start the questions with Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On page 68, it talks about the LHO office and warehouse in Fort Liard. Can the Minister elaborate on that? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister Moses.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As the Member knows and brought this up on a few occasions, asking for investments to an LHO office in Fort Liard, we have put it into the capital budget, and we will be moving forward with that project. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. I thank the Minister for that and ensuring that this is a worthwhile project. I know that the Housing Corporation has been doing some good work in getting the office going there. This is a nice step forward.

I see a number of major renovations in Fort Liard, Fort Simpson, and Wrigley. Can the Minister just elaborate a little further on those renovations, please? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Just kind of general overview, when we look at our capital planning process, we do look at our public housing stock. Once they get over the age of 40 years old, we look at replacing them, and then we also do some M and I, which is modernization and improvement, when the units reach the age of 20 and 35 years old.

Other factors that we consider are unit condition rating and the operating performance of the units. Just in general, any questions that come on how the capital planning process is selected, that is how we identify them. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. I appreciate the answer from the Minister. Mr. Chair, can the Minister advise, when they are doing these major retrofits and that, how does that impact the clients or the people using these facilities? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. When we do the major retrofits, if it doesn't impact the client or the tenant, they can stay in the unit. If it will impact them, then we try to find a replacement unit for them while we do the major retrofit on the units themselves. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister for that clarification. That is very helpful to understand.

I noticed in the plan here that there are no market rent units being put into some of the Nahendeh riding communities. Can the Minister advise when the communities will start seeing the market rent units come into some of these facilities, please? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is based on the annual assessment of need right across the territory, and in the Member's riding, we have identified a couple of market rental units, and we will have discussions moving forward. Thank you, Mr. Chair.