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Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Testart. To the motion. Minister Cochrane.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This one was the most worrisome for myself. My understanding is this gives the person $30,000 they could spend during the election period, usually a month, and then an extra $30,000 for a year before. This does impact people who live in poverty. Again, like I said before, we need to make these Chambers as accessible as possible. I don't know very many people who live in poverty who could come up with $60,000 in a year, so therefore I will not be supporting this motion. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Vanthuyne.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm appreciative of what this particular motion is presenting. I recognize that I ran in a riding where the incumbent was retiring, but had I not run in a riding where the incumbent was retiring, it is clearly, and we know this statistically, proven time and time again, and I think that my colleague from Kam Lake was being a little bit conservative on his numbers as it relates to the percentage that an incumbent has as an advantage in getting back into office. It's more like 85 percent, from some statistics that I've seen in the past. That comes because they have a lot of exposure through various forms of mediums, and it is extremely difficult for any new candidate who is going to make this commitment in life. There are a lot of different things that they have to get in order to even come to this decision that we are going to make in terms of for them to run.

Again, we talk about us wanting to promote women getting into politics and leadership roles, and one of the challenges that we've identified, as has the Member on the other side of the House, one of them is the financial challenges that they have. When you're competing against an incumbent, boy, do you ever have to take out of your pocket, or certainly go knocking on your friends' doors to see if you can raise any kind of money to compete against an incumbent, because it's difficult.

In a very short period of time, in the writ period, you have 35 days to put out the best case scenario for promoting yourself; whether it's on social media, or in the newspapers, on the radios, at the public forums, knocking on doors, and you have to have some kind of messaging document with you all the time, whether it's brochures, et cetera. They all cost money. What this is going to allow is for not only any candidate, but especially non-incumbent candidates to go out and raise some funds. This isn't just about money out of their own pocket. They are allowed to go and raise some funds. Write some letters to some friends and family and say, "I need your help. I'm going to do my best and put my best foot forward, and would you kindly support me." They can collect some money and make the case and build support for themselves. Frankly, I appreciate that the Member has put this forward, and I will give it my support. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Mr. Abernethy.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm trying to fully understand this particular motion. In listening to the Member from Kam Lake, it sounds like he was suggesting that a person who wished to be a candidate in a district but wasn't currently an incumbent might be able to spend some money in order to level the playing field. But the more I look at the motion, it sounds like anybody, whether you're an incumbent or somebody who is seeking to run against the incumbent, can spend money. To me, that doesn't really scream levelling the playing field. I'd like to ask the Member a question: can the Member provide some clarity as to whether or not this is anybody can spend $30,000 prior to the election period, or non-incumbents who are choosing to run can spend $30,000? I am open to supporting the second, but not the first. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Next on the list, we have Mr. Sebert.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, I share Mr. Abernethy's concern because it doesn't differentiate between new candidates and incumbents. We know that incumbents often win, so this system would seem to me to lead to the incumbent spending the $30,000 since they're already ahead, so I don't think I can support this. Thank you.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Sebert. Next, we have Ms. Green.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, fundraising for election purposes is now tightly controlled by the Election Act. The amount of money that you can raise, the ability to provide tax receipts to donors, and an accounting of what the money has to be spent on, I don't see those provisions being reflected in this. Those provisions apply to people who are a candidate.

What if a person decides, after all, not to be a candidate and they have raised this money? Do they owe some kind of explanation or accounting for raising the money and then not becoming a candidate? I think that this motion is too vague to add to the changes at this time, and I won't be supporting it. Thank you.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Ms. Green. To the motion. Mr. O'Reilly.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, I would like a little more time to consider this. My concern is that there are rules around what sitting MLAs can spend their money on. We do have rules around our constituency, expense allowances. They are there for good reasons, to allow us to tell people what we are doing as MLAs. Hopefully, it doesn't creep over into electioneering.

I understand what the intent of what the mover of the motion is trying to accomplish. I am not sure this is the best way to do it. There are some rules that we are going to get to in terms of third-party advertising during a campaign that I think will address another set of related issues. I am worried that this is going to set up perpetual election mode for us in the Northwest Territories, where anybody who wishes to be a candidate, including an incumbent, presumably, can spend money outside the election period.

I am not sure that is a great way to go about this. I appreciate the intent. I am not sure this is the best way to address the issue. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 82-18(3): Bill 24: An Act to Amend the Elections and Plebiscites Act - Renumbering clause 60 as subclause 60(1) and adding the following after that renumbered subclause, Defeated
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. A recorded vote has been requested. All those in favour, please rise.

Recorded Vote
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Deputy Clerk Of The House Mr. Ball

The Member for Kam Lake and the Member for Yellowknife North.

Recorded Vote
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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

All those opposed, please rise.