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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Okay. That's fine. Ms. Semmler.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My colleagues have asked a lot of the questions, but some of the questions that I have are in the same areas but just a little bit different. In the residential care, I see that we have $35 million. We have $26 million of that, to my understanding, is part of that residential care, and then there's another contracts and services that is $10 million. This services 114 clients and the 50 clients within the Northwest Territories. Can I just get clarification on that?

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Could the Member please confirm that she is on page 190?

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

No. I am on page 189.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is my understanding that all of this residential care money concerns youth and adults who are seeking services outside of the NWT.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

The 50 clients that my colleague asked about, that the deputy minister mentioned, in the Northwest Territories is not included in this?

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That is correct.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Out of this $35 million, then, we are spending $35 million on 114 residents. I know I stressed this the last time we brought up the mains, and now we are going out for an RFP to see how we can plan on possibly transitioning some of these residents home. My question for some of this is: what is the percentage of Indigenous versus non-Indigenous of these people who are outside of the NWT in these facilities? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

I'm sorry, I don't have that information. I wonder if the deputy minister -- he doesn't have it, either. We'll have to return with that information.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm sure he won't have the information that I'm going to ask for next, so I'm just going to continue to ask it. That way, I can get that commitment to have the answers. I would like to also know, out of these 114 clients, how many of those clients are from Yellowknife? How many of those clients are from regional centres? How many of those clients are from small communities? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Can I just clarify: is the Member asking where they were born or where they lived when they were referred to southern treatment? What kind of a classification is she looking for here? At what point in their lives does she want them classified by location?

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. If we're paying for people to live outside of the NWT, then they must come from the NWT somewhere, so they must have families or they must originate from either the capital, the regional centres, or the small communities. That's the percentage that I would like to have of all the residents who are outside the territory.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I am very familiar with the client group at the Inclusion NWT, and that client group includes a client I know is from Tuktoyaktuk, a client who is from Behchoko. They have lived here for a big chunk of their lives because this is where the services are located. The services they need are not generally available outside of Yellowknife and the regional centres. That's why I'm asking. If we took the client from Tuktoyaktuk, would that person be from Tuktoyaktuk because that's the origin of her family, or would she be from Yellowknife because she has lived here most of her life? I don't find this a cut-and-dried area.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I know it's not cut and dried, but if there were going to be issues with this person, we can't say where they were going to live, but if I say that this person was born to a family and their family is still in Tuktoyaktuk, for instance, then that's kind of where I'm looking at. I'm trying to find where the people have come from in the Northwest Territories. What are their roots? Where are their families from? That's one of them. I want to ask another thing, and the reason why I want to ask that is because we teach our children about equity. You've got Jordan's Principle, for instance, to try and balance that inequity. We have small communities, regional centres, and Yellowknife. As the Minister has stated, this person and some of these clients, they live in Yellowknife or they lived in Yellowknife, and now they are outside of the territory because they couldn't get the services in their community they needed to live here. Those are the reasons why I'm asking the question because, if we're not providing these services in the small communities, they had to go to the regional centre or Yellowknife. I feel like we talk about systemic racism, we talk about all these things, and we can't have services in every community, but I would like to know this breakdown.

I also would like to know from which regions because I know, in the past, there has been a summer student who did some research on this, and a large portion of these out-of-territory people are from my region. Like I said, my region has Inuvik, which is in the Beaufort-Delta. I've got my colleague from Nunakput. It's very expensive to be there. We know that we get a little bit more money, but we still have a lack of services and lack of facilities. This is why I'm asking these questions. If I can get some kind of numbers and some kind of breakdown of regions and whether they are adult or youth? Thank you, Mr. Chair.