Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address this question to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services. This is the preamble. I would like to quote from a transcript of a radio piece this morning on CBC: 'People who want to see a chiropractor have to pay for treatment out of their own pocket. Chiropractors say that prevents some people from seeking treatment. Health Minister Kelvin Ng has been asked by chiropractor David Zondag to start insuring chiropractic services. Ng said information has been sent to him showing money can be saved if more people see chiropractors. Ng says he asked the department to study the issue, but he doubts if anything can be done soon." I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware of the study that was conducted by the Ontario government substantiating savings to the medical health care system through the use of chiropractors. Is he aware of that and has he read it? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. In Hay River we have a seniors' society which consists of approximately 155 paid-up members. They endeavour to undertake various things including addressing issues of concern to senior citizens. They would like assistance in drafting and formulating a proposal to the Minister with respect to seniors' housing. I would like to ask the Minister if it would be possible to delegate someone within the social envelope or within his department to come to Hay River to meet with them and to assist them in developing this proposal, rather than seeking outside consultants. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During our last two-week break in our constituencies, I met with the subcommittee of the Hay River Seniors' Society on Tuesday, March 5th. The subject discussed is the apparent unfairness in the cost of accommodation between seniors living in public housing and seniors living in their own homes.

The conclusion of this committee is that a way should be found to equalize this disparity. This would require Hay River to propose an alternative outside of the existing housing policy rent scale administered by the NWT Housing Corporation. Rather than approaching a funding source to obtain money to hire a consultant, I suggested to the committee that the resources to make such a proposal to the Minister are probably available within the existing public service in the social envelope.

They would like the proposal to include, but not necessarily be limited, to some of the following components: comparisons between how much the government presently subsidizes seniors in public units versus how much subsidy and assistance is provided to seniors in their own homes using information which could be obtained from various seniors in the case of those in their own homes, and from

the housing authority in the case of seniors living in the housing units.

They would like to develop proposed maximum and minimum amounts that seniors could pay for accommodation based on their income; a proposed range of types and size of housing units which would be considered as a standard or adequate for singles or couples; identifying how much Hay River presently receives as a community in the area of support to seniors to assist in devising a more fair and even distribution of these resources.

A comparison between the proposed cost of assisting seniors to remain in their own homes versus the cost that the government currently pays for other levels of care for seniors in homes and hospitals. It was the feeling of the group that while free housing for all seniors may be warranted in the smaller, more remote communities, the policy in place at this time is too global. It does not take into account communities such as Hay River where the government could not possibly afford to house all seniors free of charge regardless of income, but the policy still benefits a few to the maximum and leaves many others with next to no support.

It is our hope that someone could be identified to assist with this proposal for the Hay River Seniors' Society and in question period, I will be asking the Minister of Housing to respond to that request. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The policy, in effect, then, covers all departments of the GNWT?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services. During the election campaign and subsequently last week when I was in my constituency, the question was raised to me whether or not there is a policy within the GNWT with respect to the use of government vehicles.

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to thank the Honourable Charles Dent, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, for his attendance in my constituency last Thursday, March 14th. Mr. Dent and 1, and the people accompanying him, toured and visited all the schools in Hay River. We also met with the town council, the community education council representatives, representatives of South Slave Divisional Board of Education and still had time left over to visit a few constituents who had specific concerns with respect to education. We had a very productive day and it was my pleasure to host Mr. Dent.

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Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 4(3) of Bill 2 be amended by

(a) deleting proposed paragraphs 41(1.7)(d) to (j) and by substituting the following:

(d) as a legal officer or in a position that provides translation services to a legal officer on a regular basis;

(e) in a position with duties and responsibilities that include providing advice and assistance, on a regular basis, respecting the terms and conditions of employment, including collective bargaining; (f) in a position with duties and responsibilities that include carrying out the following on a regular basis:

(i) staffing:

(ii) interpreting employment contracts,

(iii) resolving workplace disputes,

(iv) responding to grievances, or

(v) providing advice in respect of the matters referred to in subparagraphs (i) to(iv).

(g) in a position with management responsibility that includes directly assigning work to, assessing the performance of and imposing discipline on other employees;

(h) a dentist or a medical practitioner; or

(i) in a position that provides administrative or secretarial support directly

(i) to a person referred to in paragraphs (a), (c) or (d), or

(ii) to a person referred to in paragraphs (b), (e), (f) or (g) in respect of the duties and responsibilities referred to in those paragraphs.

(b) deleting proposed paragraphs 41(1.8)(c) to (i) and by substituting the following:

(c) as a legal officer or in a position that provides translation services to a legal officer on a regular basis;

(d) in a position with duties and responsibilities that include providing advice and assistance, on a regular basis, respecting the terms and conditions of employment, including collective bargaining;

(e) in a position with duties and responsibilites that include carrying out the following on a regular basis:

(i) staffing,

(ii) interpreting employment contracts,

(iii) resolving workplace disputes,

(iv) responding to grievances,

(v) providing advice in respect of the matters referred to in subparagraphs (i) to (iv);

(f) in a position with management responsibility that includes directly assigning work to, assessing the performance of and imposing discipline on other employees; or

(g) in a position that provides administrative or secretarial support directly

(i) to a person referred to in paragraph (a), (b) or (c), or

(ii) to a person referred to in paragraphs (d), (e), or (f) in respect of the duties and responsibilities referred to in those paragraphs.

Subsection 41(1.7)(d) to (j) tightens up the exclusion clause to ensure that only those employees who provide certain services on a regular basis are excluded from the bargaining unit. The amendment also adds the word "and" instead of "or" to subparagraph (g), dealing with assessing performance and imposing discipline which means that the employee will have to perform both functions rather in addition to assigning work in order to be excluded. This motion also deletes the clause and allows the Minister to exclude any other position that is inappropriate for inclusion in the bargaining unit.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can make some remarks with respect to a motion, I do the remarks and the motion. These are remarks to the specific clause, Mr. Chairman. The first motion to amend clause 4, paragraph 3, as I'm just making general comments to the motion first.