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Committee Motion 170-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation #81
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Silas Arngna'naaq Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have recently been reading about some of the debates that have been going on in this House. I suppose it would be the 10th Assembly, and all the debates that were going on seem to relate a lot to the Hunters' Assistance Program, which was to be dealt with at that time.

Representing two communities which have a high level of unemployment, and receive a lot of social assistance, we have a lot of people who are living a traditional style inside a community. I am just wondering if there was ever such a program that was created. I understand from the debates that there was to be a program in conjunction with social services, and I am just wondering if that was created. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There was a proposal developed by different departments, including Social Services, Health, Economic Development, but they were proposals that were never really accepted. What we have done so far, at this point, is try to pull together all the monies that we have to assist trappers who are harvesters of our resources in the Northwest Territories, to see if we could better streamline them, and give assistance to trappers. Plus, our government has made some agreements with the aboriginal organizations with respect to Nunavut, and they will be contributing a substantial amount of money. When the Nunavut was created, land claims were a reality, so we have asked the aboriginal organizations to be in charge of that. Our government will be contributing a substantial amount of money to create a hunter's income support.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Arngna'naaq.

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Silas Arngna'naaq Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. From what we can see, the creation of Nunavut is still another seven years away. Is there anything that this government, this department, is willing to do, as far as people on social assistance? Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you. The total contribution that we are proposing to give to the renewable resource harvesters is $2 million, and an additional $2.6 for grants and contributions under our program. I am told that once the Nunavut claim is ratified, the federal government will be giving some resources to T.F.N., then T.F.N., once they are organized, ratification will take place November 1,2, 3. If the Nunavut claim is ratified, then the federal government will make contributions to T.F.N., and our government has promised T.F.N., if T.F.N. creates a hunter income support, make substantial contribution towards that program. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Arngna'naaq.

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Silas Arngna'naaq Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The other questions, that I have, from looking at the main objectives of Renewable Resources, and from the remarks that were given by the Minister, as far as Renewable Resources were concerned, to me they sound great for the west, and they sound great for the east, but my community, the communities that I represent, do not fall into those categories.

We sound like we have a plan for forestry, we have a plan for fisheries which deals with fishing, but in Baker Lake we have no fishing quotas, we do not have any commercial fishing. In Baker Lake, we do not have a forest, so we are stuck in between. From that, we have in the west, moose, you have other sources of food, traditional foods that are available both sides of where we are, so we are stuck in between, with just caribou and fish.

Looking again at the debates that were taking place at the time, that the Wildlife Act, at the present time exists, shows that there was considerable debate, again in this House, indicating that the numbers for caribou, or the number of caribou around Kamaniriak and also in the west, were very much lower than they actually were. Maybe the caribou had moved to another location, I do not know what it was, but there was a miscount of the number of caribou that there actually are.

Based on that information, the quotas that we have today, as far as caribou for commercial hunting, which again, does not exist in the Keewatin, at least not that I know of. I am wondering, are there any plans by the Department of Renewable Resources, to either increase, or to somehow improve, commercial hunting, or commercial sports hunting of caribou, in the Keewatin area. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If people are interested in commercial quotas for outfitting or for meat sales, I would be very happy to talk to the Member, or to the H.T.A. in his riding.

In respect to commercial quotas for caribou, not all residents of the Northwest Territories agree on this, but I would like to approach the individual communities, or individual organizations, with respect to commercial quotas. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Arngna'naaq.

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Silas Arngna'naaq Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the objectives shown on page 12-5, it indicates that one of the main objectives under wildlife management will be to conduct major studies in the following area, and a couple of those are the caribou and wolf.

I would like to get a little bit more of an idea on what major studies mean on caribou and wolves. Thank you. Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Just to remind Members, that when you are getting into specifics, we should be dealing with those specifics in those areas. Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Mr. Chairman, I will have to get back to the Member with more details as to what we are doing in areas of caribou and wolf studies. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a few general comments on the Renewable Resources budget. Honourable Members who were here in the House, during the 11th Assembly, will recall that I have raised many of these issues before. I do not need to comment on the importance of this department, Mr. Chairman, this is something that has been emphasized many times in this House. The Minister mentioned that again, in his opening comments earlier today, sustainable development. The way we care for our renewable resources in the Northwest Territories, the programs, the services that we develop to ensure our animals and our land survives. The policies that we develop to support the continued survival of our traditional harvesting activities and even our ability to protect our environment from contaminants resulting from industrial development within and outside the Northwest Territories. These are all critical to our identity as native people, and as northerners. These matters are critical for another matter, as well, they have always been, and will continue to be vital to the emerging economy of the territories.

This is clearly laid out in the economic development strategy which Mr. Wray, during the 11th Assembly, brought before this House. The strategy document titled "Renewable Resources Building on a Tradition." Mr. Chairman, I am going to quote from that document, "people in the Northwest Territories have depended on the land and all it offers for thousands of years. Our renewable resources continue to have great significance to northern lifestyles and cultures, as well as to our economy. Renewable resources have the potential to contribute even more to the economy than they do at present. We could use more of our resources and use them more profitably in a manner consistent with traditional northern values."

That is what was said in the government's economic development strategy when it was prepared in February, 1990. It is still relevant today, as it was then, maybe even more so, particularly for people in my region who have just recently initiated some exciting new prospects that will allow us to use our rivers as a source of hydroelectric power.

As Dene, the people of the North Slave are enthusiastic about the promises of these new developments, but, we insist that they proceed in a manner consistent with traditional northern values, as outlined in the economic development strategy. We may be looking to the Department of Renewable Resources for consultative and technical support through the course of our negotiation as we approach this new initiative.

I wonder if the Minister has considered this in his budgetary planning for the current year, Mr. Chairman?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are part of the discussions that are taking place now. There is no need to include money at this point.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Minister.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Yes, we are part of the discussions that are taking place between the Dogrib Nation and the department. We feel that, at this point, we could do it in house. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

I am glad, Mr. Chairman, that the Minister is willing to try to find money from within his department to do this type of work. Mr. Chairman, in regards to consultation with community elders regarding wildlife management, I have a few general comments to make about the importance of consulting with elders on wildlife management issues.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

I first raised this way back on April 6, 1988, Mr. Chairman, when I expressed my concerns about the lack of consultations that had gone into the Department's decision to raise caribou quotas from three tags to five. Although a lot has been done to support the development of Hunters' and Trappers' Associations, I am sometimes uncertain about how much actual effort goes into implementing the input the department receives from them.

I would like to see the Minister establish effective directives on how policy development should proceed. These should include mandatory stages of consultation with elders from communities affected. Like my honourable colleague to my left, from Inuvik, I am very interested in the progress that the department is making toward revising and re-enacting the Wildlife Act.

Again, however, this process must include the active participation of our elders. Mr. Chairman, I want to stop here and let the Minister respond on this issue of community consultation.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.