Agreed.

Clause five. Agreed?

Agreed.

The bill as a whole? Agreed?

Agreed.

Thank you. Does this conclude Bill 9? Mr. Koe.

Mr. Chairman, it is not a point of order, but a point of clarification. How many nays do you need to nay a clause? I am confused.

Thank you, Mr. Koe. It is a matter in the parliamentary process to shout as loud as you can in nays or yeas. The other point is that there are procedural matters that can be used in reviewing clauses of the bill, and certain options available to you that could be considered. Coming into force, for instance, or for that matter, deferring third reading, or the implementation, hose are all part of the rules of this House, and they can be used in your interests, if that is what you wish to do. There are procedural opportunities for you to use. Mr. Koe.

Another point of clarification then, Mr. Chairman, by you saying yea, as Chairman, does this mean that this bill is now referred to committee of the whole for third reading?

I have not concluded, yet. I have not heard any amendments, or any motions, or anything of that particular nature. If you wish not to proceed with the bill as a whole, I believe that a motion could be considered. I would have to review the motion, appropriately. If there was concern with regard to the bill, proceeding any further, or proceeding beyond third reading, as I indicated, there are procedural opportunities for Members to consider, even if approval has been given at this particular juncture. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Mr. Chairman, I believe, and you can correct me if I am wrong, that it is the Member's prerogative to be able to vote against when it comes to third reading of that particular bill, and that may be the opportunity for Members that are concerned about it, if they want to look at possibly defeating the bill. Am I correct with that? Thank you.

Yes, that is one of the options, and there are several other ones that could be considered. If you wish not to proceed at this particular juncture, that is up to you with consent. I am going to call, we have concluded the items. One other option that was available to Members is motions to amend the clause, that was another option that could have been considered. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Mr. Chairman, there appears to be some concern particularly in clauses 3 and 4 of Bill 9. We are just seeking clarification because the amount of nays on this side of the House, in respect to those two particular areas of concern, as to what procedures are available to us to defer it. I am just asking whether, or not, we should consider looking at a motion to defer clause 3 and 4, until a later date. The other option, as I said earlier, can be that we can vote against it, when it comes to third reading of that bill.

Can I seek indulgence from the Chair, as to clarification on our concern? Thank you.

I got to clause 5, and we agreed that clause 5, had not been called yet. I am sorry that I am taking so long, but normally those considerations should have been given prior to the committee. I will take a five minute break to give all Members an opportunity to review their options.

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What is the wish of the committee? Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Due to the time frame that it will take to change the amendments at the appropriate translation, I would like to propose that we move to defer this bill, to be discussed at a later date. Thank you.

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Todd.

Mr. Chairman, I wonder if we could move to the budget, the Department of Justice.

Is it agreed that we deal with the budget, and the Department of Justice? Agreed?

Agreed.

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi, is it your wish that we invite in the witnesses?