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Further Return To Question 115-12(4): Deadline For Response From Feds On Social Housing
Question 115-12(4): Deadline For Response From Feds On Social Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I call the Assembly back to order. We're on item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, Return to Written Question 3-12(4), asked by Mr. Patterson to the Minister of Finance concerning the audit bureau on Iqaluit social services operation.

Return To Written Question 3-12(4): Audit Bureau On Iqaluit Social Services Operation
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

The audit bureau division of the Financial Management Board Secretariat has been conducting a compliance audit of the 1991 and 1992 contribution agreements between the Department of Social Services and the town of Iqaluit. The audit is required under the terms of the agreements. Audit staff reviewed the administration of the financial assistance program and some aspects of the child welfare program.

Work commenced on the audit in November, 1992. The first draft report was forwarded to the town on February 10, 1993. During the week of February 15, 1993, the audit team discussed the draft report with town staff while the auditors were in Iqaluit on another assignment.

On March 11, 1993, management responses to the audit findings were received from the town of Iqaluit. The town's comments resulted in changes to one section of the audit report. On April 8, 1993, a revised draft report was forwarded to the town, and on April 16, final agreement was reached on the new wording.

On April 19, 1993, the draft report including the town's comments was forwarded to the Department of Social Services. Following the department's initial review, several meetings between the auditors and Social Services' staff members took place during May, 1993, to consider the audit findings. The department then indicated it would prepare written comments.

The department's written comments were received on October 18, 1993. As a courtesy, on November 10, 1993, a complete draft report, incorporating the comments provided by both the town and the department, was forwarded to the town of Iqaluit for final review. The town was asked to indicate any concerns it might have with the department's comments by November 30.

It is expected that the final report on this audit will be issued to the Minister of Social Services by December 10, 1993.

Return To Written Question 3-12(4): Audit Bureau On Iqaluit Social Services Operation
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, replies to budget address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Zoe.

Committee Report 7-12(4): Report On The Committee Review Of Delury And Associates Limited Contracts
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Public Accounts is pleased to present its Report on the Review of DeLury and Associates Limited Contracts.

Background

Mr. Speaker, on September 14, 1992, the Standing Committee on Finance tabled its Report on the Review of the 1992-93 Main Estimates. I believe the report is Committee Report 17-12(2). The following comments were included.

DeLury and Associates Limited Contracts. The committee is concerned with three contracts spanning a two year period, from November 1989 to December 1991, totalling $530,279 that were sole-sourced with DeLury and Associates Limited of Burns Lake, British Columbia. We were informed that Mr. DeLury was one of very few people with experience in the negotiation and implementation of a land claim settlement. The committee questions the practice of sole-sourcing and value for money in these circumstances. In addition, the amount reported by the department did not agree with the Government of the Northwest Territories contract listing.

In recommendation 34, Mr. Speaker, the committee recommends that the Standing Committee on Public Accounts review the contracts awarded by sole source to DeLury and Associates Limited to ensure proper accountability and value for money in these circumstances.

This recommendation was subsequently passed by a motion of the Legislative Assembly on October 2, 1992. Background materials were transmitted to me, as chairperson of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, by the chairperson of Standing Committee on Finance on November 17, 1992.

In following up on this recommendation, Mr. Speaker, the committee was advised of the following:

-That it would likely be necessary to draw on the expertise of an accounting professional with extensive experience in public administration audit.

-Consulting and Audit Canada could be retained to complete the review, through a memorandum of understanding with the federal government.

-The analyst would not have the usual authority that an auditor from the territorial Audit Bureau or the Auditor General's office would have in accessing government records. Accordingly, it would be necessary to rely on the good offices of the Department of the Executive to acquire and use information needed for the review.

Memorandum Of Agreement

Consulting And Audit Canada

Mr. Speaker, the Public Accounts department, at a special meeting held on June 15, 1993 in Hay River, NWT, moved that Consulting and Audit Canada be contracted, through a memorandum of agreement, to conduct an independent review of the DeLury contract.

A memorandum of agreement was negotiated with Consulting and Audit Canada and the consultants commenced their work in Yellowknife on July 19, 1993. The findings presented in the attached report are based primarily on interviews with and documentation provided by the deputy minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs.

The review conducted by Consulting and Audit Canada, was divided into two phases. The first phase that ended in the preparation of this interim report, included: planning and orientation; field work, which involved reviewing and analysing documentation; and, interviewing appropriate individuals.

The memorandum of agreement with the consultants indicated that the second phase of the review, which would include preparation of a final report and attendance at meetings of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, would be undertaken only if required. The Standing Committee on Public Accounts decided at a meeting in September, 1993, that it would not be productive or necessary for Consulting and Audit Canada to undertake the second phase of the review.

Review Of DeLury And Associates Limited Contracts

Interim Report Prepared By Consulting And Audit Canada

Mr. Speaker, Consulting and Audit Canada concluded that, although some deficiencies had been identified, the decision to award contracts by sole-source to DeLury and Associates Limited was taken at the Executive Council level, and was in compliance with the applicable statutory authorities set out in the Government of the Northwest Territories' Financial Administration Act.

However, several deficiencies related to the administration of the contracts were identified, including:

-Procedures used for the reporting of contract details in the government's contract listing were inadequate;

-A post-contract internal evaluation of this large consulting contract was not carried out;

-The total contract costs reported to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories were understated, in that certain travel costs were not reported; and,

-Consulting fees paid by the Government of the Northwest Territories in the amount of $8,780 which related to services provided to the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation by the contractor, may not have been recovered.

Further, given the documentation made available, Consulting and Audit Canada was unable to assess or comment on whether adequate monitoring, supervision, or direction over the contractor was maintained or whether the Government of the Northwest Territories obtained adequate value for money, in terms of the services provided by the contractor.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the consultants recommended that the second stage of this review -- namely, the preparation of a final report and their attendance at the meetings of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts -- be set aside, as this interim report provides all existing information from the documentation made available for review.

Standing Committee On Public Accounts Review Of Interim Report Prepared By Consulting And Audit Canada

Mr. Speaker, the standing committee called Mr. Lew Voytilla, Comptroller General, and Mr. Bob Overvold, Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs, to discuss the findings of the interim report prepared by Consulting and Audit Canada. The issues raised and discussed with these witnesses include the following:

- the accuracy of the contract listing; - the authority and obligation to produce the contract listing;

- the question of value for money for the whole of Mr. DeLury's work for the Government of the Northwest Territories;

- accountability and the adequacy of contract monitoring; and,

- the reason why the Government of the Northwest Territories paid for work done by Mr. DeLury for the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation.

The Contract Listing

Mr. Speaker, the contract listing can be an effective financial management tool. However, the committee is not satisfied that the contract listing has provided the required degree of public accountability. Members noted that much of the controversy surrounding the DeLury contracts could have been avoided, had the contract listing been produced in a timely manner with clear, accurate information. Any questions about these contracts could have been asked and addressed, long before the total expenditures amounted to over half a million dollars.

Mr. Speaker, with regards to the recommendations of our committee;

Recommendation 1

Our committee recommends that the Financial Management Board Secretariat formalize the process by which the contract listing is produced in order to ensure that accurate information is conveyed to the Legislative Assembly and the public in a timely fashion.

Value for Money

Mr. Speaker, Consulting and Audit Canada reported that based on the available documentation, they were unable to assess or comment on the value for money or the accountability and contract monitoring aspects of the DeLury contracts. The standing committee is not convinced, given the magnitude of the total expenditures for the DeLury contracts, that the Government of the Northwest Territories received sufficient value for money.

Accountability And Contract Monitoring

Mr. Speaker, the secretary to the Financial Management Board informed the committee that a new audit and evaluation division has been established in the Financial Management Board Secretariat, as part of the reorganization of Executive functions. The audit and evaluation division is composed of the territorial Audit Bureau, an information management section and an evaluation section. The secretary to the Financial Management Board suggested that the development of this in-house capacity to conduct program and project evaluations would hopefully address the concerns raised by the committee with respect to contract monitoring. The committee will be tracking the development of this organizational unit, with interest, to ensure that its concerns are addressed.

Recommendation 2

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, our committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories, and in particular the Executive department, document and monitor service contracts to ensure full accountability and the capacity to assess value for money. The committee further recommends that the concerns identified, regarding contract monitoring, be addressed through policy development.

GNWT Payment For Services Rendered To The Inuvialuit Regional Corporation

Mr. Speaker, government officials did not provide a rationale to the committee concerning the reason the Government of the Northwest Territories agreed to pay for Mr. DeLury's consulting services to the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation. In addition, no explanation has been provided regarding the government's apparent failure to recover the consulting fees for services provided to the Inuvialuit.

Recommendation 3

Therefore, our third recommendation from our committee, recommends that the government review the payment of consulting fees to Mr. DeLury, for services provided to the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, assess the feasibility of recovering these fees, and take appropriate action, as required.

Motion To Receive Committee Report 7-12(4) And Move To Committee Of The Whole

Mr. Speaker, that concludes the Standing Committee on Public Accounts report and I would therefore move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik, that Committee Report 4-12(4), be received and moved into committee of the whole.

Committee Report 7-12(4): Report On The Committee Review Of Delury And Associates Limited Contracts
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

For the record, it's Committee Report 7-12(4). Your motion is in order Mr. Zoe. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Report 7-12(4) will be put into committee of the whole. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Koe.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I am pleased to table, Tabled Document 24-12(4), a document titled, Reshaping Government in the Western Arctic. As I told Members earlier today, this proposal describes the creation of a regional government in the western Arctic. This draft proposal was developed by the Gwich'in Tribal Council and Inuvialuit Regional Council after extensive consultation with western Arctic communities.

The principles and concepts contained in the proposal were unanimously endorsed at a regional leaders' conference on November 20. This regional leaders' conference was attended by representatives of the eight municipal governments in the region, the Gwich'in Tribal Council, Inuvialuit Regional Corporation and hunters' and trappers' committee.

The proposal will now be further refined by a committee representing the Inuvialuit, Gwich'in and the municipalities. The people of the Beaufort/Delta believe that regional government will allow residents to better realize their common values and aspirations to achieve more effective and responsible government. The regional government will also result in superior government programs and services and maximize community and regional decision-making.

Mr. Speaker, the concept of a regional government is not a new or unique idea. Regional governments exist across Canada, with regional municipalities, counties or other political entities. Members should note that this proposal has been endorsed by the people of the region, through their community governments and aboriginal organizations. This is the first time that a detailed proposal for reshaping government for this region has been endorsed by the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in and the municipal governments.

Representatives from these organizations will continue to develop this proposal and will table it in constitutional discussions. The people of the western Arctic wish to inform Members of the Assembly they are committed to working with the current constitutional development process in the Northwest Territories. We believe the presentation of this proposal will advance these discussions.

Mr. Speaker, Members should note that the Beaufort and Mackenzie Delta communities will soon seek the support of this Legislature, and the Constitutional Development Steering Committee, for the initiatives and principles contained in this regional government proposal.

Mr. Speaker, the proposal I'm tabling today is in recognition of this fact and is a positive contribution to political development in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi. Qujannamiik.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Koe. I'd like to remind Members of the House, I allowed a fair amount of leeway with that particular tabling statement. The rule actually states, "the Member may make a brief factual statement to identify documents". I would ask Members to show courtesy to other Members. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Kakfwi.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, being known for brevity, I wish to table, Tabled Document 25-12(4), Audit Report, Commission for Constitutional Development.

---Applause

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Nerysoo.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document, Tabled Document 26-12(4), Arctic College, 1992-93 Annual Report, entitled, New Challenges. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Pollard.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table, Tabled Document 27-12(4), The Interim Financial Report of the Government of the Northwest Territories, for the year ended March 31, 1993. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, tabling of documents. Madam Premier.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table, Tabled Document 28-12(4), Northwest Territories Power Corporation, 1992-93 Annual Report.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, tabling of documents. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome in the gallery, Mr. Roy Fabien, the former chief of the Hay River Dene Band.

---Applause

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Clerk.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to section 183(4) of the Elections Act, I wish to table, Tabled Document 29-12(4), a Candidate's Return Respecting Election Expenses and Contributions, filed by Mr. Bill Adamache, Mr. Harry Maksagak and Mr. Kelvin Ng, from the Kitikmeot by-election held May 10, 1993.

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 16, Motions. Mr. Koe.

Motion 2-12(4): Tabled Document 11-12(4), Report From The Fort Providence/cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops, Carried
Item 16: Motions

November 25th, 1993

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS, the caucus of the Legislative Assembly has held two strategic planning workshops in Fort Providence and Cambridge Bay;

AND WHEREAS, a document that summarizes the deliberations on matters related to discuss with the operation of government leading up to 1999 has been tabled in the Assembly;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Nunakput, that Tabled Document 11-12(4) titled, Report from the Fort Providence/Cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops, be moved into committee of the whole for discussion.

Motion 2-12(4): Tabled Document 11-12(4), Report From The Fort Providence/cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops, Carried
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. To set the record straight on the orders of the day, under item 16, it reads Bill 2-12(4), that was a typo. It's actually Motion 2-12(4). So people can make the appropriate corrections. To the motion.

Motion 2-12(4): Tabled Document 11-12(4), Report From The Fort Providence/cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops, Carried
Item 16: Motions

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Motion 2-12(4): Tabled Document 11-12(4), Report From The Fort Providence/cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops, Carried
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Motion 2-12(4): Tabled Document 11-12(4), Report From The Fort Providence/cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops, Carried
Item 16: Motions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Minister's Statement 3-12(4), Sessional Statement by Premier; Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1994-95; Committee Report 1-12(4), Special Committee on Health and Social Service's Final Report; Committee Report 3-12(4), Standing Committee on Finance Report on the Review of the 1994-95 Capital Estimates; Committee Report 4-12(4), Committee Follow-up on the Department of Health's Response to the Recommendations Contained in Committee Report 18-12(3), tabled on March 24, 1993 with Mr. Ningark in the chair.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The committee will come to order. When we concluded yesterday, we were dealing with Committee Report 1-12(4) and we were dealing with recommendation 15. What is the wish of the committee? Mrs. Marie-Jewell.