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Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The whole purpose of front line workers is for them to deal with those types of situations that are evident in the communities. That includes alcohol and drug abuse, child abuse, wife abuse and all those social problems. The government has those people in place. Are we referring to government people or are we looking at people other than government people for this type of training? Are we looking at Arctic College?

I'm just wondering, because I know in Hay River, there is a movement to get teams of mobile people to travel into the communities to do that sort of training. Interest has been expressed for quite some time now for work in that area. What are we targeting here? Are we suggesting that the government give us a report by the end of the fall session on who will be doing this? Or, are we suggesting that the government should do it?

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The chairman of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that Members of the committee weren't trying to limit or to set out exactly who should do what. We want to see the opportunities for increased training to be provided to staff and other workers, as much as possible. That is why we have suggested that it not be just in-house training, but we also talk about conferences, workshops, distance learning, in-service training by visiting specialists and so on. That could include work by Arctic College, it could include a wide variety of means.

What we have asked is, by next fall, the government present a report to the Legislature, detailing what steps they have taken in this regard. That would then give us a chance to assess how successful they have been, what areas they have moved in and what their approach is to getting the job done. The important aspect, Mr. Chairman, is to ensure that the people who are doing these important jobs -- as Mr. Gargan has pointed out, they're often dealing with people who have problems or who are in crisis -- get as much training as possible so they have the best ability to do their jobs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent. To the motion. Mr. Zoe.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I totally agree with the motion in front of us and I will be supporting this particular motion. But one of the comments I wanted to make is with regard to the preamble to this motion. In it, there is a lot of emphasis placed on front line workers. I agree that training is of benefit to them, particularly in the smaller communities. In the Special Committee on Health and Social Services report, they indicated that communities were having problems with specialists not going to communities quite as often as they should.

This is not reflected in any of their recommendations. It is good, on the one hand, to say that if the front line workers get all this training, it is going to reduce the reliance on specialists who visit communities. To a certain degree, I guess that is true. But, on the other hand, I'm aware through reading this report, that the communities outside of Yellowknife and outside other regional centres are complaining that the specialists are not coming in as often as they should be to do follow-up work. I'm wondering why there isn't another recommendation pertaining to that in this report?

But, in relation to the motion on the floor, Mr. Chairman, I will be supporting it. Thank you.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Dent, are you prepared to answer the question?

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In response to Mr. Zoe's concern, this is something the committee addressed. If you look ahead at the section where recommendations are showing up in numbers, under the Delivery of Health and Social Services, where we say this is what we recommend regarding the delivery of health and social services, you'll find in there that we do recommend that the specialist assignment visitation schedule also needs to be reviewed. Very early in the report we said that not all of our recommendations were included in the numbered recommendations. We did say that, of the more than 70 recommendations -- if you wanted to add them all up -- only 32 have been separated out into numbered ones. It doesn't mean that we don't feel the government should pay attention to the recommendations that are included in the narrative section of our report. I think that, as Members, we will be following up with the government to ensure they do recognize our concern that all areas where we make recommendations must be followed up on.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent. To the motion.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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An Hon. Member

Question.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Whitford.

Committee Motion 21-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 16, Carried
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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Employee assistance plans (EAP) are one way to help workers cope with the pressures of their jobs. The Government of the Northwest Territories has often been asked to establish an EAP for its own staff. Our survey of front line workers suggests that the need for such a program is especially great among health and social services employees.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

November 25th, 1993

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that an employee assistance program should be developed, and made available to health and social service front line workers.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, we heard a lot about burnout among our health and social service front line workers. I would just like to distribute, to the Members of the committee, a letter we received recently from a doctor in a small community who is married to a social worker. After seeing a copy of our front line workers survey, he wrote to tell us that he completely agreed with our recommendation. If I could, Mr. Chairman, I will ask the Pages to hand a copy of this around. Thank you.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, since we are looking at health and social workers I would like to ask if it is covered under the collective agreement? Or, is that a new kind of benefit that we're looking at for those specific types of workers?

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I understand it right now, there is not an employee assistance program in existence for GNWT employees. As far as I understand, GNWT employees can qualify, for instance, for treatment if they're referred for treatment, but there is no sort of standard employee assistance program. This would be something that is new. The committee was of the opinion that, in particular, because of the stresses placed on some of the front line workers, that this is particularly critical because we often heard communities complain about turnover due to staff being burned out from stress. If you look at the letter the committee received from Dr. Wezelman, he outlines exactly the sorts of problems that social workers face, which are not necessarily the same as other employees. In answer to Mr. Gargan, yes, this would be a new program.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. The honourable Member for Deh Cho.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would be very interested in finding out exactly what this means, this EAP. I would think this is maybe something the unions, under their collective agreement, would be looking at. Are we actually going into an area which really shouldn't be addressed by this Assembly?

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think given the amount of the turnover costs to this government, in terms of having to replace and train new people, that this is an area that we have to look at. In the long run, instituting such a program could probably decrease the costs to this government.

I think it was an area in which we saw a requirement and are, therefore, making the recommendation that it is one the government should examine. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Again, Mr. Chairman, I know the surveys were done, but have the surveys gone beyond just telephone surveys? I'm interested in the unions. Why aren't they addressing these? Is this an area they should be addressing? If not, are they really that concerned about their own employees? Has this even been brought up by the unions? It can be answered, I suppose, because this is one area that is between the unions and the government. Are we now suggesting we look at a whole new category? Of course, it's also a budget issue. What exactly does that mean? Are we in a position to tell the government to increase the budget so those kinds of things are covered? I know, under the rules, we're not allowed to do that.

Committee Motion 22-12(4): To Adopt Recommendation 17, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Chairman of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, Mr. Dent.