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Committee Motion 102-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 2
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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, to the motion, I do not have a particular problem with the region being specifically identified. I think the intent of this motion is to, at least, have a study undertaken by the department so that once they complete the study of this particular region and if the numbers are high, and if it is alarmingly high, then perhaps it would warrant the department to study other regions to look at the problem on a larger scale. I think this was the intent of the motion, to have a starting point. However, if Members feel that by naming a specific region implies that this region has a large alcohol

problem, I do not think this was the case when the special committee put forward this particular motion. I think they wanted to tell the department, because of the concerns which were raised through their hearings, that this type of clinical study should be undertaken. I do not have a big problem with the current motion that we have in front of us, but if Members wish to make it more general instead of being specific to a region, then I do not have a problem with that either. If we make it just a general statement, then the onus would be on the department to select which region they would like to undertake this study on. I think after hearing from the Deh Cho region, the committee felt that perhaps that region should be looked at. I have no problems either way. If someone wants to make an amendment or if we leave it as is, I would support this motion.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For clarification, we travelled to the Deh Cho region, a number of people in that region told us of their great concern of the number of kids who might be impacted by fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effects. Members of the committee also had access to a draft community health profile for Fort Simpson. We found in that profile that it says up to 25 per cent of the children in that region may be affected by fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effects. I do not think anyone in the committee was saying that this region is higher, lower or any different percentage than another area, but the bottom line is that we have a report for that area which says that these are the numbers.

The Department of Health is doing community health profiles in other regions. They may come up with different numbers or the numbers may be the same, they may be higher, they may be lower. We are saying we need some way to assess whether those reports are accurate. The problem is that the reports which are being prepared, the community health profiles, are not clinical studies, so they do not give us clinically accurate numbers. What we need is some way to assess the accuracy of these reports. They are going to be prepared for all regions across the north, the figures were available to us for this one. If the figures had been available for other areas, we may have selected others.

Committee Motion 102-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 2
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have made my point. I did not travel specifically to that region, because I was in the Kitikmeot region. I went to Hay River and Inuvik with the special committee. If in fact there was a request made by the people of the Deh Cho region that the problem has to be dealt with, I will be supporting the motion. I made my point that it seemed like it was a bit unfair to point out a specific region, but I will be supporting the motion. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, the community profiles which Mr. Dent keeps referring to, if Mr. Dent is confident that 25 per cent is not the correct number...

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

I hope that it is not.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

I would hope the same thing too, that it is not. It seems as though we have many mothers in the Deh Cho region who drink while they are pregnant. However, using the Deh Cho region to determine the rest of the territories is not accurate either. You cannot do a study in the Deh Cho region and determine that it is comparable in all the other regions. It is totally unfair to think that is going to be the way you are going to get a true picture. Naturally, if you make it broad enough, you give the department an opportunity to make studies in all areas. This does not do that. It restricts them to one area. I would be glad to find out what the accurate numbers are in my region, but that is very high considering the Deh Cho does not have a big population. Twenty five per cent of one dollar is very high. Is it different in other regions? I do not know. I would prefer not picking on my constituency as the only region that seems to be having that problem.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Gargan. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? All those abstaining? Thank you. Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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March 16th, 1993

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our final recommendation has to do with helping people prepare for greater community control over programs and services. Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommend that the government fund a pilot project to offer community leadership development assistance.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

We have a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a very good motion. Therefore, I will support it. I have been saying for a long time, that there is a definite need for community development assistance in the communities, especially the smaller ones. There is a need to develop leadership and help them to become more aware of what is going on. There is a need to develop the community infrastructure as well. With the help of the government, I think it will go a long way in developing the communities in the Northwest Territories. For that, I am supporting this motion. Mahsi.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Member for Nahendeh. Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, I would be supporting this particular project, where it is related to the training for community workers. I encourage training, especially for the community workers who are the front line workers. I think this is a good motion. Not only that, but I am not sure if this pilot project would also include the training funds for drug and alcohol workers. I have noticed the training component, where the drug and alcohol program is not too good. I hope this pilot project would also fund those types of front line workers as well. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that completes our report. I would like to express thanks to all the committee Members who helped in the preparation of the report, and especially to the people in the ridings of Nahendeh, Deh Cho and Hay River who took time to either write to us, come and talk to us, or meet with us and tell us about their concerns. We are looking forward to our visits to the other communities. We will see more of the Members in their constituencies. I hope all of the Members, who are invited to join us when we are in their constituencies, will make an effort to come out and be part of the process. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Does the committee agree that Committee Report 12-12(3), Interim Report #4 - Talking and Working Together, is concluded?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Does the committee agree that we now move on to the Department of Personnel?

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Department Of Personnel, Introductory Remarks