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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Would the Minister care to present his opening remarks?

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present the 1993-94 main estimates for the Department of Personnel.

The main thrust of the department over the next year will be the implementation of the long-term staff housing strategy. I announced a number of changes on March 11 in response to the input from the public and Members of this Legislature. I am confident that these amendments, which will see the strategy phased in over a longer period of time, will satisfy the needs of tenants without compromising the overall objectives of the strategy.

Mr. Chairman, the department will be actively working to resolve the pay equity issue. Pay equity means providing equal pay to all staff who are doing work of equal value. As mentioned earlier in this session, we are anxious to come to an agreement with the union. However, talks have recently broken off with no conclusion.

The government's affirmative action program remains a priority with aboriginal people occupying 2,065 of the 6,048 government positions as of December 1992. This represents 34.1 per cent of the total number of positions. This is a slight growth over 1991-92 in spite of downsizing and consolidation efforts which have reduced the total number of available government jobs. The Department of Personnel has a total of 114 employees of which 41 are aboriginal representing 36 per cent of the total department.

In other affirmative action categories, the numbers of women in management jobs have increased from 82 to 90 over the course of the year. Women now represent 22.6 per cent of all managers in the organization. Women also hold 232 jobs in non-traditional occupations representing 14.6 per cent of the total numbers in that category. The number of disabled employees has remained steady at 25. Long-term northerners who have lived over half of their lives in the NWT occupy 314 jobs representing 5.2 per cent of the government work force.

The 1993-94 budget for Personnel has been reduced from $26.4 million to $26.313 million for an overall reduction of $87,000. The main changes to the budget include: the department's travel budget was decreased by $418,000 as part of the government's overall restraint measures; the medical travel budget was reduced by $500,000 as a result of the consolidation of all medical travel in the Department of Health; airfare increases, which resulted in the addition of $332,000 for the vacation travel assistance, medical travel assistance and ultimate removal budgets; growth in divisional boards of education increase the department's budget by $139,000 to provide benefits and services for new teachers; the decentralization initiative required the department to provide specialized planning and support services in preparation for the transfer of positions to communities. One person year and funding for salary and O and M in the amount of $72,000 was added to the budget to do this important work; the government was required to pay GST on vacation travel benefits for all employees and this increased the budget by $193,000.

Finally, Mr. Chairman, we will be expanding our 1992 annual report to the Legislative Assembly to include more detail as requested by the Standing Committee on Finance and this Legislature during the 1992-93 budget review. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The chairman of the Standing Committee on Finance would like to present his report. The Member from Nahendeh.

Comments By Standing Committee On Finance

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A human resources management system is more than just planning and performance evaluation. A management system also includes day-to-day coaching and feedback on the job, empowering front line staff, promoting excellent services to the public, reinforcing good behaviour appropriately and redirecting poor performers.

The committee should not have to wait until the Minister's annual report is tabled to find out the current status. It appears from the Minister's response that the department is not thoroughly familiar with contemporary organizational management systems. We cannot wait for departments to enter the modern era on their own. The Department of Personnel must provide support and leadership to drive management development throughout the civil service.

It is also clear from the department's responses that they do not understand 1992-93 recommendation two of this committee. Recommendation two has nothing to do with the pay equity study as the Minister suggested in his appearance before the committee. Further, you do not have to wait to determine the financial situation of the government before you determine the guidelines for pay negotiation -- if it is not yet clear in anybody's mind, we do not have enough money to house the homeless, educate the uneducated or save the suicidal. We must pay a fair day's wage for a fair day's work -- no more, no less. However, the overall salary burden must be reduced significantly and funds redirected. We must ask our employees to also do their share in these tough times.

The committee suggests that the department undertake a comprehensive review of all job descriptions with a view to ensuring that the required qualifications are realistic and that there is enough flexibility to accommodate the affirmative action policy.

Senior bureaucrats must be held accountable in upholding government policy. This requirement is particularly evident in the area of monitoring and enforcing compliance with the affirmative action policy.

The job of the Department of Personnel is to ensure the government gets the most from its human resources -- efficiently, effectively and economically. The department can no longer be only reactive -- it must be pro-active. Productivity in government can and must be measured.

Mr. Chairman, I have some recommendations.

Committee Motion 104-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 16
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Personnel establish a means to effectively manage and enhance productivity and accountability throughout the government. The department should be given a mandate to provide support and direction to departments in establishing and achieving productivity and accountability targets. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. We do not have a quorum. Mr. Clerk, will sound the bell. Thank you. We now have a quorum. Question has been called. All those in favour? Mr. Lewis.

Committee Motion 104-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 16
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

I just have one comment on this motion. This motion has appeared in almost identical form for as long as I can remember. Either it is impossible to achieve because it is very difficult to find out who is productive and who is not productive, or it is beyond the capacity of our system to develop such a system. It is needed, and the concern I have is all of these recommendations are made and they appear year after year, but there never seems to be any response to determine whether these recommendations have been accepted, rejected, put on the back burner or the front burner. I do support the motion.

Committee Motion 104-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 16
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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Committee Motion 104-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 16
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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Antoine.

Committee Motion 105-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 17
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March 16th, 1993

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Personnel and Education develop a comprehensive management training program for the civil service.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Committee Motion 105-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 17
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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Personnel finalize improved, more detailed conflict of interest guidelines for its civil servants.

Committee Motion 106-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 18
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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Committee Motion 106-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 18
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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Antoine.

Committee Motion 107-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 19
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this committee recommends that the government ensure that there is adequate aboriginal representation, particularly Inuit representation, in senior management. This recommendation is most critical in the Departments of Health, Social Services, Education, Personnel and Housing.

Committee Motion 107-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 19
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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. To the motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, it should be noted that there is an absence of Inuit representation in senior management. I think that was the intention of the motion. However, this does not preclude the government to ensure that there is adequate aboriginal representation also from the Dene and the Metis. I wanted to make this point. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.