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Committee Motion 101-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 1
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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The people of that region or area will be informed, notified or approached regarding the plans of this government for the establishment of a regional health board established in their region. If the people do not want such a board established in their region, the government will comply. The government will do the right thing. It will be what the people want and not what the government wants. So, at this time, we are establishing a motion to see what the people want from that area. Thank you. I will be supporting the motion. The final authority will rest with the region.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I mentioned earlier, the second recommendation deals with determining, by clinical method the numbers of children affected in the region by fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effects.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that this committee recommend that the Department of Health undertake a clinical study to determine the number of children affected by fetal alcohol effects and fetal alcohol syndrome in the Deh Cho region.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. We do not have a quorum. Mr. Clerk, can you please ring the bell?

We now have a quorum. Question has been called. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Gargan and Mr. Zoe.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did support this motion, but how many motions are we looking at with regard to this? We do have many regions, and as we go along and the special committee goes to the Dogrib region and the South Slave region, they come up with these all these motions. I want to know if we are going to have studies done also? For example, fetal alcohol syndrome in the Deh Cho region, that is not the only place that has that problem, I am sure it is all over the place. The committee is going to move forward and as soon as they identify the problem in Fort Rae, they will make another motion, then another study will be done on fetal alcohol syndrome in that area, et cetera. Is that the intent of this board? Little by little we go along, instead of having a final report saying that we do have a problem in this area and there should be a territorial study done.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Gargan. To the motion. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I might address Mr. Gargan's concerns, he will be pleased to know that this is probably the last report we will have before the final report. It is intended that the majority of our recommendations will come out in the final report. As we have travelled around, we have

come across situations that have come to our attention as being necessary to look at right now. The reason that this one came up was that the committee had access to a draft report that has been prepared for the Department of Health which is called "A Community Health Profile of the Fort Simpson Region." In this draft report, there was an estimate made that 25 per cent of the children in the region are fetal alcohol affected. Mr. Chairman, if that is in fact the case, it is a horrendous situation and one that needs to be looked at very carefully.

The problem with the community health profile is that it is not a clinical study. It does not give figures that can be proven to be accurate. We have often heard people say if a teacher runs into a child who is misbehaving, they label them automatically. Rather than having to worry if the figures are accurate, we are saying because the Department of Health is conducting these community health profiles all across the Northwest Territories, we should clinically assess the numbers in this one region. It will give us an idea as to whether or not the studies that come out in the future are accurate for other regions and maybe we will negate the necessity to do this kind of study in every other region. If it turns out that the clinical study backs up the numbers that are reported in this health profile, we can assume that the other health profiles will be relatively accurate as well.

It is a situation where we do not think we should wait until the final report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services to say that we should do a clinical study all across the territories. Many of us feel that the problem is developing into a very serious one and one that has to be addressed as soon as possible, and therefore this is one way to get it started. I think it is an important process to get under way as soon as possible.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Gargan and then Mr. Antoine.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, rule me out of order if I am out of order, Mr. Chairman, but what is the department actually doing in this area?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Gargan, I think you are allowed to speak to the motion, but that question cannot be answered.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, can I direct the question to the Minister with regard to what is being done in that area?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Gargan, you cannot direct a question to the Minister while speaking to the motion, however, if the Minister wishes to speak to the motion, she is entitled to do that. To the motion. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am in support of this motion. A couple of years ago we had a fetal alcohol syndrome conference in Fort Simpson and it was very enlightening for me because I sat through four days with different experts who came in from the south who have worked in this field. It is a situation that everyone here should understand and try to deal with. There is a definite need to get a good grip on this situation. This problem exists because of alcohol abuse in the first place. That is where the problem originates. The children that are statistics, it is not their fault that they are in the situation they are in. I take it that the clinical study is an assessment of each child. If that could be done in that whole region, it would determine, not only FAE and FAS, but it might determine other types of problems children may have. It might be a good thing to do. Once this clinical study is done, then where do we take this study? It is fine to find out and determine the number of individuals with this syndrome, but what do you do with the findings once you have them? That is what I wonder about.

This builds into the Department of Education and the school system. One of things I have been made aware of in this particular case is that not all the people who deal with children really understand the full effect of this condition that certain people have.

I agree with my colleague from Deh Cho, Sam Gargan, that this is not the only region where this problem exists. This problem exists in all areas where there is abuse of alcohol in the Northwest Territories, not only in the Fort Simpson and Deh Cho region. If this clinical study is done, it will help to determine the number of children affected in that region, but it should also be reflective of conditions of children in other regions as well eventually.

I think it is a good motion and that is the reason why I am supporting it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The motion seems a little unfair to the Deh Cho region. It seems to imply that the Deh Cho region is a region of high fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effects children, and is made as a study area. Mr. Chairman, if we could change the Deh Cho region and replace it by saying "designated region" then I would support the motion. However, using the name "Deh Cho region" in a public document, seems unfair. We are, in fact, implying that the region has a high concentration of fetal alcohol syndrome. It does not seem fair. I agree with Mr. Gargan. If we can amend "Deh Cho region" and replace it with "designated region," then I would support the motion. It is a good motion except for this wording. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Zoe and then Mr. Dent.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, was there a motion put ...

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

We are speaking to the motion. Mr. Zoe, there have been no amendments. We are speaking to the motion. Mr. Zoe.