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Committee Motion 108-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 20
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 108-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 20
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, when the government is prepared to speak to the reorganization of the Department of Finance, Members would get a more definitive answer to the question, but the Member is correct in wondering whether we are entertaining the suggestion she made. We are prepared, but we have not made the firm commitment to it yet.

Committee Motion 108-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 20
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you. The other point I wanted to bring forth was in regard to labour relations. I do not know whether the labour relations division has any legal counsel

within the division, particularly when you are doing departure agreements with employees. I know the Department of Personnel used the services of the Department of Justice to work out legal implications if there were any. Can the Minister advise us whether there is any particular legal counsel in that particular division? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

No, Mr. Chairman, the Department of Justice provides legal counsel to Personnel.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is the point I want to make. There never seems to be legal counsel within the labour relations area. Sometimes it is very difficult. I have been told, once you are in the government, you never get fired because they do not know how to fire civil servants or how to discipline them. Will the Minister take into consideration trying to complement his labour relations division with the necessary legal counsel? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the way the government operates presently is all legal counsel, advice and questions are handled by the Department of Justice for all the departments, including Personnel. If the Member is suggesting there might be some merit to looking at the suggestion that we should have one lawyer permanently assigned as an employee within the Department of Personnel, who would act as legal counsel for the purpose of negotiations, I would be prepared to look at it to see what the merits of it would be and I am willing to share that with the Members as soon as I have done so. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe there is some merit to that because sometimes when you are trying to address any type of labour relations, by the time it gets to the Department of Justice there are so many events that have come up and it is difficult to keep on top of them. I think in taking a more pro-active approach, consideration should be given to legal counsel within that particular area.

Mr. Chairman, I did want to mention to the Minister, with respect to his definitive objectives particularly pertaining to job evaluations, sometimes I receive comments that the job descriptions which reflect the position requirement are somewhat too sophisticated and artificially inflated. Through classification, depending upon the requirements necessary for a job, reflects the salary base. Has there been continual evaluation with respect to job descriptions to ensure you are not placing in artificial barriers to a possible individual who may want to take on a position? Is there a possibility that job description requirements are artificially inflated with requirements which are unnecessary? Is this type of review being done? Thank you.

Committee Motion 108-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 20
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, that has been an ongoing issue with this department for some time. For the purpose of taking an organized approach to it, we have tried to take a systematic approach to addressing it by reviewing the different jobs which are currently in government and doing it in concert with the implementation of the new job evaluation system. The new job evaluation system should be implemented within the next six months.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

That is good news to hear, Mr. Chairman. I have stated in committee, I have never stated it publicly, that I certainly have supported the department's initiative with respect to the housing strategy. I know last week when I was out of town there were some significant changes, however, they were accepted by both the Members and the government in addressing the housing strategy.

I wanted to comment on the housing allowance which is granted to civil servants. This side of the House and these Members have been pressing the government to increase social assistance allowance, particularly the food allowance. There is a $450 housing allowance given to every civil servant who owns their own home. An individual client of Social Services does not even get $450 per month for food, they do not even get $450 per month to live on, let alone for food.

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

I would suggest that maybe the Minister of Personnel may want to consider giving up a portion of his housing allowance, not saying the whole $450, but a portion of it to his colleague the Minister of Social Services so they could look at raising the food rates for Social Services. I think that would be benefiting all the people of the north, particularly the ones in need, as opposed to just a selected few. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Although the Legislature dealt with the staff housing strategy last week and there was a motion passed and as a government we responded, I know some Members took interest in the fact that CBC Radio did play a couple of morning pieces, outdated pieces by David Miller that continued to take some shots at our housing strategy suggesting we are almost totally deaf to concerns, long after we have made substantive changes to our strategy. I wanted to take the occasion to address that because I think that although Mr. Miller spent quite some time letting certain employees in Fort Liard lament their sad case of not being able to continue making payments on their loans and car, neither the employee or CBC pointed out that these employees receive the standard accommodation allowance of $450 per month. I found that very misleading. I am not upset about it, but felt that if I found some occasion I would bring that to the attention of Members to balance out the picture.

Having said that, there is no interest on the part of government to do anything with the accommodation allowance. We will continue to provide it to employees and we have extended it to all employees in level III communities. We see it as a great incentive to get people into private home ownership. That is the way we will continue to envisage it. Thank you.

Directorate

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. General comments. Line by line? Directorate, page 5-10, total O and M, $4.476 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Job Evaluation

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Job evaluation, total O and M, $586,000. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Has any progress been made with the gender equality issue? I know this government was working on paying women for equal work of equal value. Have you addressed that issue?

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Minister.