Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried

In the Legislative Assembly on October 14th, 1994. See this topic in context.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

The motion reads that clause 7 of Bill 6 be amended by adding the following after subsection 2:

(3) The head of a public body shall give access to a record in the official language of the Northwest Territories requested by an applicant where

(a)the record already exists in the control of the public body in that language; or

(b)the head of a public body considers it to be in the public interest to have a translation of the record prepared in that language.

and

(4) An applicant shall not be required to pay a fee for the translation of a record.

This is the proposed amendment.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

I would like to make a correction, as well. Where I was reading "official language of the territories," it should say "official language of the Northwest Territories."

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Minister. I believe you wanted to add...Mr. Minister, I believe when you read the motion you said "Northwest Territories." According to what is written here, it is "territories" but there is no "Northwest."

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, it's my mistake again. It should read as...I didn't read it properly, so I'll just read it again as it should go into Hansard.

(3) The head of a public body shall give access to a record in the official language of the territories requested by an applicant where...

That's the way it should be read.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. A motion is recommended and the amendment is in order. Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister whether there were any estimates given of the amount of revenue that would be received from charging a fee for access requests. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Avison will answer the question.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Avison.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Avison

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In answer to the question, the answer is no. The estimates did not include any assessment of what the revenue might be from fees that would be levied. They are, in effect, a best guess of what would be generated and what the costs would be. Given that it's new legislation, we do not have a sense at this point other than through speculation of what kind of fees might be generated. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm sure that in preparing this legislation, the Minister and his staff canvassed the experience in other jurisdictions. I understand the reason for this amendment and that is to allow little people no barriers to applying for access to information. But I also understand, Mr. Chairman, that in other jurisdictions there has been a phenomena called "fishing," where special interest groups, media and sometimes just cantankerous people will basically file hundreds of requests fishing for information...and that in other jurisdictions there's been a fee imposed which would prevent these fishing expeditions and prevent harassment by media and other persons motivated by goals that are of self-interest and perhaps not in the public interest.

I would just like to ask the Minister, is his understanding that other jurisdictions do levy fees to prevent this kind of exploitation of the bill by unscrupulous persons?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Avison will answer the question.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Avison.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 288

Avison

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under Bill 6, the legislation does come with a provision that would give the capacity to the head of a public body to require that a fee be paid if information is requested of the government. It would be a discretionary capacity to request that a fee be paid. It may not be done in all cases, and that is the mechanism that would facilitate dealing with that type of situation.

It must be said, however, that that is not the kind of situation that is contemplated by the proposed amendment to clause 7, which would be designed to ensure that a record could be translated into an official language other than the language it was in, to provide for an understanding of the document by the person who has requested it.

The Member is quite correct in indicating that in other jurisdictions there have been significant difficulties with the making of frivolous applications or blanket applications, in some cases, which could otherwise generate a large volume of expense, and that is why the discretionary provision is contained in the bill. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Patterson, and I also have Mr. Arvaluk. Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that's very helpful information. I now understand that there would be a fee paid in most circumstances, but in a special situation where a translation is required, by this amendment there will not be a fee required to pay for the translation of a record. I understand that now and am satisfied with that. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. To the motion, Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under the same section, section 7.2, duty to create documents, under (a) and (b), especially b), it reads, "creating a record would not necessarily unreasonably interfere with the operation of a public body." In your motion, it states that the applicant shall not be required to pay a fee for the translation of the record. If the material requested is 100 pages and it is available from the public body in one of the official languages, for example, English, and it is requested in Inuktitut -- as you are allowing it to be in clause 7 -- is clause 7.2(b) saying it is going to interfere with the public body's load of work? Would that be considered, or would a translation be exempt from 7.2(b)?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Aitken will answer the question.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Aitken

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Subsection 7.2 deals with circumstances where the applicant asks for a record to be created from something else, perhaps from a computer database or something else. Computer equipment can't create a record that doesn't already exist, but it can pull together information and put it into one record.

The translation provision is dealing with a separate instance where there is an existing record, or even one of these records that has been created, and the applicant wants to have that record translated into an official language. I don't think there is any conflict between the two provisions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The way I read 7.2(b) is that if there is too much work for the government, if we are interfering with the government because of the volume of work that has to be produced from requests, then the government will decide whether they should make up a contract or tell the person who is requesting it that theirs is an unreasonable request.

Would this section consider the Minister's amended motion, or would this be exempt? Would the translation provisions of this clause be exempt for that?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Minister Kakfwi.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, if the applicant is asking for a specific document to be created and the document doesn't exist, that is what this provision deals with. It doesn't deal with a document that already exists. In any case, there is another provision that says if it is deemed in the public interest, that document could be produced. So, there is some provision to allow for the creation of a new record, but it also attempts to give us some protection from requests that would have us working to create documents that don't exist.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. The honourable Member for Aivilik.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand, then, that if the record is available in English, then it must be provided in Inuktitut or a Dene language, for example, no matter how lengthy it may be, whether it is 100 pages or 200 pages.

I guess what I'm asking is if one of the divisional boards requested a statute, like the Education Act, in their own language so that they could thoroughly study it -- like the cultural inclusion program provision, for example, and how it relates to other curriculum development, or the comparative powers between the regular curriculum provisions and the cultural inclusion part of it -- then you have to produce that, if it is available in English. That's my question, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Avison will answer the question.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Avison, you have to talk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Avison

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the language of the proposed amendment it would not require that all documents be translated if there were a request for the document in another language other than the one that it already exists in. What it would do is give the head of the public body the opportunity to have that document translated into another official language, to accommodate the request that has been made.

If a decision was taken in the public's interest not to do that, then that decision not to have the document translated could be reviewed. But it does not operate as a matter of course to require that in every case where a document is requested in another official language, other than the one that it is in, that a translation take place. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Then, there will be a requirement for the Commissioner to determine whether that is a valid denial to have it translated. What other avenue does the person requesting have to pursue? Would that have to come in the regulation that would be governed by the Commissioner?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

The Chair John Ningark

Merci. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 289

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

The Member points out, correctly, that it's subject to review. The Commissioner can take the

government to task for failing to comply with a reasonable request, whatever "reasonable" would be in the eyes of the Commissioner. And whether or not, for instance, the request for translation of certain documents was reasonable, it would eventually come to this Legislature.

I think what we didn't point out yesterday, because we ran out of time, is what this legislation is going to do to the government, I would think we would begin very soon after, if it is enacted, to come up with some guidelines to help the head of public bodies such as deputy ministers to have guidelines by which to make these decisions. So there's overall policy that the government abides by in trying to comply with this request. Otherwise, we will have, possibly, a huge back-up of complaints and perhaps lots of difficulties because we're not complying in a uniform way.

The impact of this act would be to force the government to comply, and if not, then to be able to explain in some rational way why it is not complying across the board. It would, I think, force us to do that very quickly. And in these economic times, it would be arguably cheaper to comply where we should comply. Therefore, the argument would be made that we will work very hard and very quickly to create guidelines so it would help us with that so we don't come into conflict needlessly with this act.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. Please stick to the motion. I would like to remind the Members to stick to the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Just a comment to the motion, for clause 7. Just a scenario right now that the Nunavut Implementation Commission probably will now start disseminating information, especially information on the existing GNWT acts and regulations that are in force for the communities to review and prepare for 1999. They can do that right now and they cannot force the government to translate them. They can request information now, they can get these acts and regulations now, but with the 1999 enforcement of this act, they may want to...At least they will know that if that material is not available in Inuktitut, because they will know this act, they may want to have these things translated.

I am a little bit leery about what additional costs we'll have to claim from that because NIC probably will have the responsibility to inform the communities quite intensively as public education, here is what the government's existing laws are that you must abide by. These existing laws that are in force will be transferred or grandfathered when Nunavut comes about in 1999. These will become common law of Nunavut, unless repealed; but then again, that's very difficult.

I have no right not to support this clause, but I am nervous that this might be misused like other clauses might be misused as Mr. Patterson stated, because with this bill we're putting the government or the Legislative Assembly in the vulnerable position for abuse by those who want to, unless there is, as the deputy minister stated, another section protecting that. But it will be a questionable kind of protection that the government will have. Just a comment, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk. To the motion.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

An Hon. Member

Question.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Question is being called. All those in favour of the motion, please signify. Thank you. All those Members who are opposed to the motion, please signify. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Clause 7, as amended. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you very much. Clause 8 of Bill 6. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 7. Pardon me, I'm going backwards here. I was trying to ensure that somebody had their hand up or hand down, so I was temporarily distracted. Clause 9. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 10 of the act.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 11. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 12.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Merci. Clause 13. Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one question about this. This has to do with the whole business of disclosing information on negotiated contracts. I think the Minister of Public Works has committed to providing that information through the commitments to the Standing Committee on Finance and elsewhere. I'm just wondering, Mr. Chairman, would this section 13 in any way prevent this kind of disclosure being made by the Minister as he has agreed to do? Is this likely to be something that reveals Cabinet deliberations and is thereby privileged?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 290

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Mr. Kakfwi.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the intent of the section is to protect the confidence of the recommendations to Executive Council by staff, briefing documents, minutes of deliberations by Cabinet and Members of the Executive Council. But it does not limit the capacity of Ministers, for instance, to share information with Members of this Legislature. This section deals with how applicants who, for instance, request minutes of Executive Council meetings will be dealt with. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 13. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 14.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Merci. Clause 15.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 16 of the act. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 17.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 18.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Merci. Mahsi cho. Clause 19.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 20.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 21.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 22 of the act.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 23.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 24.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Clause 25.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 26.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 27.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 28.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 29.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 30.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 31.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 32.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 291

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 33.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 34.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 35.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 36.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

I have Mr. Arvaluk and Mr. Patterson. Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps I should have asked this one under general comments, but it has to do with the Information and Privacy Commissioner. I just want to ask one question about this. Mr. Chairman, I had a chance to review the private Members' bill Mr. Gargan tabled which was defeated in July 1991. I notice it was only 11 pages long. This bill we're dealing with is 44 pages long. I understand that the reason the bill before the House is so much longer is that Mr. Gargan's bill had government departments responsible for giving out information rather than this Information and Privacy Commissioner.

I'd just like to ask the Minister, Mr. Chairman...This Information and Privacy Commissioner and the bureaucracy have annual costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Do we really need them? Couldn't you just require, as Mr. Gargan's bill did, each government department, by law, to be forced to give out this information and go to the courts to force it if they don't? I would just like to know, couldn't we save ourselves a whole lot of money and extra clauses and a whole lot of bureaucracy by dispensing with this office and just getting each government department and each deputy minister accountable for delivering information within their existing departmental resources. Why was that rejected in designing this bill?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, there are a couple of differences with the original initiative by Mr. Gargan three years ago. This bill here is much more specific in the definition of what can and can't be done, and what is limited and what is accessible and under what conditions. This also provides for the element of privacy which was not a major element in the original initiative by Mr. Gargan. It provided largely for access,

but did not give provisions for protecting the privacy of individuals and third parties.

The other element is that this bill provides for the creation of an office of Commissioner and that was not provided for. Other than that, the original initiative was very general in nature compared to what we have here. It's true, this is very specific and therefore much longer. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Mahsi cho. Clause 37, Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

If I could just get an answer to one part that wasn't answered. We have a Privacy Commissioner. I see the pay is over $100,000 a year. Do we really need that? Why can't we just require, by law, that every government department is required to deliver this information? Mr. Lewis said the other day it's there, it's a matter of faxing or Xeroxing the information. Why don't we just require every department, by law, to give out this stuff? Why do we need a Commissioner and staff and an independent officer to do that? Why not keep it simple, cheap, and just make it a requirement of each deputy minister and his department to develop the mechanism to deliver that information? Wouldn't that be a cheaper, easier way of doing it? Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

I guess we wanted to do everything in an organized and mannerly fashion. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Legislation reviewed this matter and made a couple of suggestions by which to have requests reviewed. One of the options they suggested was the creation of an office of Commissioner for this purpose, so that's the one we elected to take. In any case, they're referring everything to the courts, in many cases where they're frivolous it would be discarded. But it also would take up expensive time of expensive people, people who are already over-taxed, in my opinion, with work that is essential to the well being of the community and society in general.

There is still recourse to the courts if decisions that are made that are considered contravening to this act. But other than that, we've allowed for the provision that a request that is not complied with, which is considered to be a reasonable request, shall be reviewed by the Commissioner and recommending to us that we comply. If not, then the deputy minister, for instance, specifically, can be held accountable to this Legislature upon report of the Commissioner.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 37.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 38.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 292

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 39.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 40. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Agreed. Clause 41.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 42.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Mahsi cho. Clause 43.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Mahsi. Clause 44.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 45.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Clause 46.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Clause 47. Mr. Gargan.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Going back to clause 45, this is a section where I made the mistake of thinking it had to do with job interviews and things like that, with information gathered with job interviews and reasons for a person not being hired. Those things would not be available to a person, right?

When I made a rebuttal to Mr. Patterson's thoughts on the bill, I said if a person wants to find out why he didn't get a job, you can find it out under this clause, but I guess that's not going to be the case.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

That was a point you were trying to make, it was not a question, right, Mr. Gargan?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

No.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Right on. Clause 47. Agreed?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 48 of Bill 6.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 49.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 50 of the act.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 51.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 52.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 53.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 54.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 55.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 56.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 57.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 293

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 58.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 59.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 60.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 61.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 62.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 63.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 64.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 65 of Bill 6.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 66.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 67.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Clause 68.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 69.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 70.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Mr. Kakfwi.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, before we conclude this bill, I would like to ask if we could consider another motion, which would meet with the concerns raised by Mr. Patterson yesterday, about whether this act would impede or limit the functions of Members of the Legislative Assembly in carrying out their duties? If he feels strongly about it, we could propose a motion to make an amendment.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the Minister's offer on this. I would just like to explain that I raised the question and some other questions while this bill was on the floor of this House, because I think sometimes when problems arise in the future -- which I hope won't be the case -- courts or other people look to the records of the Legislature when the bill was being considered to find out what was in the minds of legislators at the time.

I'm quite satisfied with the assurances that were put on record yesterday by the Minister that this bill is not intended to interfere with the rights and privileges of a Member and that, in fact, the particular clause -- I think it was 3(2)(a) -- contemplates the whole range of practices and privileges that are now in place. I'm very happy that that clear statement was on the record. It satisfied me, and I would respectfully say that I don't need any further reassurance.

The bill is long enough as is. I don't think we need to add to it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

---Laughter

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

October 14th, 1994

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 70.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 71.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 294

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Clause 72.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

The Chair John Ningark

Clause 73.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We're getting there. Clause 74.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

One last gasp.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Do you want me to stand up?

---Laughter

Mr. Chairman, I need your direction before I proceed with this. I am planning to make a motion, Mr. Chairman, but can this motion be debated at this time?

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk. It depends what the content of the motion is, whether it is debatable or non-debatable. We won't know what the motion is. Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My motion will be to amend the bill by deleting clause 74 and replacing it, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 295

The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Arvaluk, if you wish to make a motion now to amend clause 74, this is the appropriate time. Mr. Arvaluk.

Committee Motion 20-12(6): To Amend Clause 7, Carried

Help us improve OpenNWT