This is page numbers 1093 - 1119 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was information.

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Members' Statement On Yellowknife South Riding
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

But the source of my greatest pride, Mr. Speaker, is seeing how many of my honourable colleagues in this assembly have chosen to live in Yellowknife South, when they are in the capital doing business. The honourable Members from Baffin South, Kitikmeot, North Slave, Inuvik, and Keewatin Central have all shown impeccable taste in their choice of Yellowknife residence.

Members' Statement On Yellowknife South Riding
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Some Hon. Members

Bravo, Bravo!

Members' Statement On Yellowknife South Riding
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Even the honourable Member from Yellowknife Frame Lake is a resident of Yellowknife South. I am honoured that such an impressive list of distinguished Members, including half of the cabinet, have chosen to join me in the best riding in the north, and I look forward to representing all of you to the best of my ability as elected member for my constituency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Laughter and applause

Members' Statement On Yellowknife South Riding
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Henry. Members' statement, Mr. Picco.

Members' Statement On Access To Public Information
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently we had heard about the crisis in Great Britain. No, I am not referring to the continuing saga of the Royal Family, or the continued activities of the IRA. Mr. Speaker, I am referring to the outbreak of mad cow disease. Yes, Mr. Speaker, mad cow disease. Now it would seem that this most vicious and virulent strain has appeared in the NWT. It has taken on a new form and now is referred to as sacred cow disease.

Mr. Speaker, sacred cow disease is in evidence in the way this government continues to deny access to public information on all negotiated and sole-source contracts entered into by the government. Repeated attempts by yours truly to have this information available have been stifled at each request. My motion that requested the government to table the information has been ignored.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Kingsley may not be affiliated with a clandestine agency, but the Premier in his teflon and espionage-like way, must have had training at the Mondeno Top Secret facility for covert operations, the way he keeps ducking and diving on my questions concerning disclosure.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier said there were no sacred cows, but covertly, he did not mean public information.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to wish the residents of Iqaluit, Apex, and Burwell very happy Thanksgiving, and thank the good Lord for his blessing and support.

As for the continued fight to eradicate mad cow disease, I will be asking, Premier Morin, later today about publishing the sole-sourced and negotiated contracts for the umpteenth time. I hope that Mr. J. Edgar Hoover is listening. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Members' Statement On Access To Public Information
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' Statement. Mr. Krutko.

Senior's Fuel Subsidy
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to express opposition that our government that preached our community wellness, community empowerment at the community level, and they would have the best means by using that information at the communities for having the knowledge, the experience to have a say on how the programs are going to be delivered by residents.

Yet, the government does not see fit to man the income eligibility for the senior fossil fuel subsidy in regards to the cost of living in communities and taking into account regional disparities. And also, the cost for individuals to maintain a home, and the number of individuals within that home.

Presently, the subsidy for a single senior home owner has been marked at $12,973. It is nearly impossible to live in a home for below $20,000, maintain your water bills, your upkeep, food, and clothe yourself, yet this Government states that they can do it for $12,000. I would like to see them try it. Communities, especially with families where there is high unemployment, high rates of alcohol abuse, suicides, gambling, and other crimes associated with that are 2 to 3 times higher than the national average in most of the northern communities.

A motion that I put forth to the committee of the whole and the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, considering amending the seniors' fuel subsidy was rejected. But I also would like to put a face on a person, Mr. Ben Firth, and Sarah Firth, who is 74 years old, who is raising 2 of his grandchildren, and had a stroke over a year ago, has been 1 of the people excluded, and also there are 30 other families presently in the same dilemma. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my statement.

Senior's Fuel Subsidy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to complete his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Krutko.

Senior's Fuel Subsidy
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to thank those Members, Mr. Barnabas, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, and Mr. Steen, for supporting me in the Motion, regardless of the fact that it did not go forth. I believe our message is now out there, where people can say this is an important item to the people on this side of the House. In concluding, Mr. Speaker, I find it awfully hard to believe that in this day and age when we talk about stimulating our economy, keeping incomes in our community, and keeping healthy and economically stable communities, to start taking away those little privileges that people have put into our society by paying mortgages for these units they live in, paying their property taxes, paying for the services that they use, water, sewer, light bills, which we, on the other hand, subsidize to the hilt of God knows what, in regards to all the other programs, especially in social housing.

So an individual who tries to maintain his own way of living by being independent, being productive to the community and society in general is being penalized. Yet this government spends in the area of $600,000, or $600,000,000 to clarify my point, in the area of the Social Envelope. To incarcerate people, pay for judges to basically incarcerate, to take children away from people's families, to basically penalize those people why are trying to be examples in communities, and basically find the resources to incarcerate people and also use those revenues for an individual who can be in government social housing, be an elder, and not pay any rent. Yet an individual who tries to maintain a household is penalized. There is something wrong with that.

We have to look at it in the context of how do we run government, and who are we penalizing here? The economy of the North should be maintained so that it is economically sound. Healthy communities have healthy people who are independent and show that they can make it.

Do not put them to the point where they become another social statistic in our elders' homes or in our social programs and dollars are being used to clothe, feed and in most cases, incarcerate those people at a fee of $80,000 a year to have 1 individual in the correctional system. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- applause

Senior's Fuel Subsidy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Thank you Mr. Krutko. And just to remind the Members, under the rules, there is a section in there regarding, referring to an issue that has been decided during the current session. I believe in this case the subsidy for fuel has been referred to a committee for discussion and should not be brought up while that discussion is still being decided. Members' statement, Mr. Miltenberger.

Members' Statement On Draft Constitutional Package
Item 3: Members' Statements

October 10th, 1996

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the summer the Constitutional Working Group, made up of Members from the Western Caucus of the Legislative Assembly and Members from the Aboriginal Summit, has been working to draw together 30 years of northern constitutional discussions into a draft constitutional package.

Press reports this morning seem to suggest that this draft, which will be tabled in this House next week, is a done deal. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is and has always been the intention of the Constitutional Working Group to prepare a draft package which we would give to the people and give them something concrete to talk about.

After the package is tabled, an intensive process of consultation across the western NWT to get feedback will take place. The people of the western territory need to review the package and talk about it. Our constitution will set our course for the future. We need the ideas of everyone to make sure the final constitutional package is something we can all agree and live with.

Yes, Mr. Minister Antoine is in Ottawa, and will talk to Mr. Irwin about our constitutional development process. It is critical that we keep the federal government aware of what we are doing. However, the decision about what our final constitution will look like will be decided first and foremost by the people of the western territory.

Over the winter we will have an opportunity to shape the draft package until it reflects the constitution we want to have. Finally Mr. Speaker, we will be the authors of our own destiny. Thank you.

Members' Statement On Draft Constitutional Package
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statement. Mr. O'Brien.

Members' Statement On Beneficial Results Of Budget Cuts
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, although I have many reservations and concerns about the serious budget cutting course that we are on, as I have mentioned on many occasions in this House, before we continue with this exercise, we should be able to demonstrate and also be able to measure the beneficial results of this process. To speak on a positive note, we should also be thankful for what we do have.

With that, I wish a very pleasant Thanksgiving to all the residents in Arviat and Baker Lake, especially the seniors and the children. Thank you.

Members' Statement On Beneficial Results Of Budget Cuts
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' Statement. Returns to Oral Questions Mr. Ng.

Return To Oral Question 393-13(3): Concerns Regarding The Registration Process For Nurses
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on October the fourth, 1996, in respect to the registration process in the nursing profession in the NWT. The nursing profession in the Northwest Territories is a self-governing profession.

The registration process is done by the Northwest Territories Registered Nurses Association's Registration Committee. The Committee meets every three weeks to review applications. The NWTRNA at their biannual general meeting this summer revised the bylaws related to the registration committee to appoint more members to the Committee.

These changes have improved the review process. The expectation is that it should be easier to obtain a quorum to consider applications. Delays in registration are often due to missing documentation that needs to be provided by the applicant.

Registration cannot be taken lightly, as the primary purpose is to ensure protection of the public; therefore, documentation must be complete. The operations process has been improved by notifying applicants of what documentation is missing from the applicant's file.

A survey of the turnaround time of other Canadian licensing jurisdictions conducted by the NWTRNA shows that the time it takes for registration in the NWT is reasonable. In the 1996 year, 789 registrations were completed by the registration committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Oral Question 393-13(3): Concerns Regarding The Registration Process For Nurses
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Returns to Oral questions. Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 380-13(3): Person Year Reduction Figures
Return To Oral Question 393-13(3): Concerns Regarding The Registration Process For Nurses
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns to oral questions. One asked by Mr. Ootes and one by Mr. Krutko on October 3 and 4 with respect to position reductions and layoffs. A number of questions have been asked in the past regarding position reductions and layoffs within the GNWT as a result of the Deficit Recovery Plan. In the fiscal year 1996/97, to date there has been an overall reduction of 345 positions. This figure includes positions reduced debt, pardon me, includes position reductions made by all government departments, divisional boards of education and colleges, but does not include position reductions made by health boards. Information on health board reductions is being gathered, and I will update this figure when the information becomes available.

Every effort has been made within the government to minimize the impact of the budget reductions on employees by wherever possible eliminating positions that are vacant or redeploying staff.

As a result of these efforts in 1996/97 to date, a total of 207 GNWT employees have been laid off, of whom 22 have been rehired and redeployed. We do anticipate further position reductions and possible layoffs in 1997/98 as we implement year two of our Deficit Recovery Plan.

Departments are finalizing business plans for next year, and are in the early stages of preparing the 1997/98 budgets. However, we will not know the full extent of potential reductions; that will be Main Estimates tabled in the House next January.

Return To Question 398-13(3): Contract Hiring Of Laid Off Employees
Return To Oral Question 393-13(3): Concerns Regarding The Registration Process For Nurses
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John Todd Keewatin Central

If I may Mr. Speaker, I have another one asked by Mr. Ootes on October 10, 1996, again specifically with respect to staff reductions in Yellowknife. In the fiscal year 1996/97, to date there has been an overall reduction of 175 positions in Yellowknife, out of a total of 345 within the government system. During this year 90 people have received lay-off notices in Yellowknife. Three of these people were redeployed, and one lay-off notice rescinded, leaving a total of 86 people laid off. Thank you.

Return To Question 398-13(3): Contract Hiring Of Laid Off Employees
Return To Oral Question 393-13(3): Concerns Regarding The Registration Process For Nurses
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Marie Coe, who is a long-time employee of this Legislative Assembly and did Hansard for previous Legislative Assemblies. She is a long time friend of many of the older sitting Members; not older sitting, any of the Members that sat here for more than one term. Thank you.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

Question 468-13(3): Suicide In Inuit Community
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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services concerning suicide. Suicide is an issue of great concern to me; I see so many people lose relatives to suicide nowadays. It is something that has not been part of traditional Inuit ways.

I am looking for answers. I wonder why some people seem to fear death. I wonder how alcohol and drugs affect people's fear of death, or their decisions to attempt suicide. I wonder how much of an effect violence on television or violent music or lyrics has on suicide attempts. I wonder how the availability of shelters has affected the suicide rate.

Can the Minister tell me whether his department has done any studies on these issues, and can he provide us with any answers those studies may have found? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 468-13(3): Suicide In Inuit Community
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng.

Return To Question Suicide In Inuit Community
Question 468-13(3): Suicide In Inuit Community
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a serious issue that is of major concern to many of us. The department has not done any formal studies on suicide. What we have done is held our sponsored regional and Territorial forums in the past, with community agencies and community leaders and interested individuals, to try to come to an understanding of some of the causes of suicide, and to try to formulate suggestions on how to tackle this significant issue, Mr. Speaker.

What those forums did identify were that some of the issues relating to suicidal behaviours were indicated to be: abuse, whether it was sexual abuse, spousal abuse, alcohol and drug substance abuse; conditions in housing; personal conditions of whether you were employed, what your personal relationships were with your peers and your family members, the past loss of maybe close family or friends. There are a whole multitude of factors that come into consideration in leading an individual to try to move to the drastic step of attempting to take their own lives, Mr. Speaker.

So what we found also, Mr. Speaker, from these discussions that were held, these issues that were brought up as possible causes or contributors to the possibility of suicide, they were very consistent with other studies that have been done by other jurisdictions, and nationally, for groups and formal studies that had taken place. We recognize that our circumstances are certainly no different except for the fact that our rates, Mr. Speaker, are significantly higher than the national standards. In fact, anywhere from 2 1/2 to 5 times the national average, depending on which year you compare suicide rates to. It continues to be an issue of great concern, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Return To Question Suicide In Inuit Community
Question 468-13(3): Suicide In Inuit Community
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco.