This is page numbers 1217 - 1274 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Members' statements, Mr. Miltenberger.

The Need To Identify Government Subsidies When Reviewing Business Plans
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, beginning on Saturday, Members of this House will be looking at the Business Plans for 1997/98. Over the past year many of us have stressed the need for an integrated approach to managing the budget.

It is not enough for departments to look at individual programs, we need to look at how these programs interact with other programs across the Government.

One area which is clearly tied to this idea of integration and which has not received any attention is the whole area of subsidies. After making queries in the standing committee meetings, it is apparent that, as a government, we do not have a comprehensive list of the many subsidies that we provide. As a government we do not know where all the subsidies are and more importantly how they are linked. The subsidies seem to be created by the Minister in an uncoordinated fashion. No one is looking at the big picture it would appear. It is quite possible that there is significant duplication, overlap, in these subsidies that we provide the individuals, communities and organizations.

However, unless we know what the subsidies are, we cannot find that out. This is an area we need to look at during our view of the Business Plans. Mr. Speaker, I have some preliminary work on a list of subsidies, at first glance, it would appear that we provide subsidies to the tune of about $200,000,000 a year. I intend to provide this list to all Members of this House and hope it is useful in providing at least, a starting point when looking at subsidies.

The second year of the Deficit Management Plan will be very difficult, if there is potential in subsidies to eliminate duplication or approve coordination of support we need to look at. Let us not leave this stone unturned because there is no official list to guide us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Need To Identify Government Subsidies When Reviewing Business Plans
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements, Mr. Rabesca.

Community Empowerment
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Rabesca

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to try to understand some of my colleagues' concerns over Community Empowerment.

Over the past number of years, this Government, in one form or another, has supported the idea of government services, the best job of the people within the communities. It is the community organization and community leaders that have the best knowledge of the residents and how best to service them. This initiative has been called many different things over the past years.

The one window approach is one of the first recently with the previous government, it was called community transfers, and now it is called community empowerment. Each initiative has its own good points and bad points. But as a whole, communities have the benefit, benefit considerably from this type of devolution.

As this Government has evolved and has become more responsible for its finances, so have the communities. They understand what is required to take on more responsibility and if the community can demonstrate their expertise, knowledge and their willingness to take on extra duties, then we should be encouraging them, not chastising, this from some of my colleagues.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I encourage all communities to investigate areas that they feel comfortable in taking control. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Community Empowerment
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements, Mr. Krutko.

Concerns Regarding The Purchase Of Land In The Mackenzie Delta Constituency
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been receiving a lot of concerns over the last couple of weeks in regard to purchasing land in the Mackenzie Delta. The homeowners in my constituency have been leasing property for their homes for many years now. This costs in the area of thousands, if not millions of dollars of rent for property that they have been occupying for their houses. The Gwich'in Inuvialuit have traditionally lived on and been there from time immemorial.

Initially it was the Federal Government's responsibility for paying the property taxes on behalf of Aboriginal people occupying Federal lands. Now that land claim agreements are in place, my constituents are still paying for land through leases only worth a couple of thousand dollars. I have recently been informed by the Minister, Municipal and Community Affairs in regard to this. The Minister openly admits that pricing is not for the land, but capital improvements. How much capital improvements are suppose to continue? As taxpayers, my constituency do not deem it necessary to pay full time engineers, surveyors, project officers, et cetera. to design gravel roads with a 30 km speed limit. The government has been running ineffectively for the past number of years, yet, the constituency continues to pay for leases of property for this inefficiency.

My constituents have been waiting since May for a reply as to why they cannot outright purchase the land their homes have been sitting on for decades. We will have a question for the Minister on this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Concerns Regarding The Purchase Of Land In The Mackenzie Delta Constituency
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' Statements, Mr. Picco.

Information Being Sought By Ordinary Members
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the House began sitting on October 2, we have had some, at times, heated debate from the capital expenditures to community empowerment. By questioning the government on these and other matters, members have shown the public that debate, requested by electorate, has occurred.

Appearing in News North, Nunatsiaq, The Hub, or the Inuvik Drum, makes my day. But, seriously, Mr. Speaker, when I review the Hansard each day, the questions put by the ordinary members are concise and, in most cases, suitable for all audiences.

Compare if you would, Mr. Speaker, debates with some of these same members with the 9th, 10th or 11th Assembly and you will see some of the same issues debated again and, surprisingly enough, it depends upon which the side of the House you are sitting on when you made those statements for and against.

I have had calls from some Mayors in the West, asking why I am against community empowerment. Mr. Speaker, I have never said I was against community empowerment but I am against the current speed and process. As some members know, I was a member of the first Community Justice Committee, set up in the eastern arctic more than six years ago. That is community empowerment. I would like to see all contracts, leases and sole-source contracts published like other jurisdictions, like B.C., the amalgamation of DPW, Transportation, the Housing Corp. needs to be debated.

Today the feds do not fund or build social housing units. But with a federal election coming next spring, they might begin to fund and build social housing. But, we will not have a dedicated department, because it has been amalgamated. Mr. Speaker, all these areas have been talked about over the past couple of weeks.

The role of the ordinary Member is to provide the check and balance needed, making sense of this Government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Information Being Sought By Ordinary Members
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Picco, Members' statements, Mr. Ootes.

Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to get a chance to talk to you today, Mr. Speaker. You are the only person I know of who is not running around today with an opinion on the Draft Constitution Package, and I appreciate your restraint. I

have opinions myself, do not doubt that. There are things I like about the Draft, and there are things I do not like about the Draft. But, I am not too worried about what I think at this point. My job right now is to get out to my community. I need to hear the opinions and concerns of the people of Yellowknife Centre. I want to help my constituents understand this package, it contains a lot of information and subtleties that may not be immediately apparent to people who do not follow politics closely.

Let me give you an example, I have been hearing a lot of talk in the last day on guaranteed representation for Dene and Metis people. It is an unusual concept and has caused a bit of controversy already. But, this package attempts, and I stress the word "attempts" to balance off guaranteed representation by giving non-Aboriginal MLAs a voice in the self-government process. Does this mean the proposed process is fair? That is a really good question. Northerners will have a chance to answer questions like that for themselves in public consultation sessions and meeting with MLAs. My voice is but one amongst thousands of equal voices. Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to the end of this session, it will give me a chance to hit the streets and start talking to people I represent.

In fact, my Yellowknife colleagues and I are hosting an Open House tomorrow at our Constituency Office. We will be distributing copies of the Constitutional Draft and meeting informally with the public. I am very interested in the opinions of my constituents and I will bring their voices and opinions forward in our November session. I was very interested in the proposal made today by Mr. Steen for an independent group of three people to consult the public in regard to the consultation on the Constitution and, I think, this deserves consideration like other ideas that will come forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Members' statements, Mr. Ningark.

Kitikmeot Inuit Association Discussions Regarding Young People
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had the privilege of attending Kitikmeot Inuit Association in Gjoa Haven on October 15 and 16. Many issues were brought forth to the Assembly. Many very important issues, one issue that struck me in one presentation from the group was the young people attending Kitikmeot Inuit Association, I would like to thank Kitikmeot Inuit Association for inviting the youth from Kitikmeot region, allowing the youth to make a presentation. Mr. Speaker, there is a willingness among the young people of Kitikmeot, and the elders from Kitikmeot, to work together. There is a willingness of the Kitikmeot Inuit Association to listen to the young people of Kitikmeot Region.

Mr. Speaker, many important issues coming from the young people were brought to our attention. I have the opportunity and am privileged to have listened to some of the very important comments from the young people. Some of the issues that were brought up were teen pregnancy, suicide among teens, the young people wanting to have more youth representation on boards, which sometimes we seem to overlook. Young people want to have more insight in the communities across the NWT, and young people were speaking from the Kitikmeot Region.

Young people wanting to have more follow-up when a young person, or young people, attend meetings, or board meetings, they wanted to have more follow up. I think sometimes I tend to forget what we hear from the young people because we are not paying attention to our future.

Mr. Speaker, young people want to have more drop-in centres in their communities. More importantly they want to have resources from the Government, from the community government, from the regional government, from their Aboriginal organizations, which we do not seem to be doing. Since we always talk about young people being our future, Mr. Speaker, this is the time that we do something about our future. Thank you.

Kitikmeot Inuit Association Discussions Regarding Young People
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Members' Statements, Mr. Roland.

The Need To Communicate The Positive Aspects Of The Deficit Recovery Plan
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to discuss an item that needs serious consideration. Although we will be looking at Business Plans during the following week, and looking at more reductions, I think we need, at times, to look at what we are doing, as a Government. Are we focusing on the quality of life for the people of the NWT, or are we focusing on numbers? As ordinary MLA's are we looking at what we will have set up in the communities, or what we would like to say we are going to do?

We need to focus on what is realistic and what is a goal. We have many goals, Mr. Speaker, but only a few are realistic. As I attended a meeting in my constituency over the past weekend, I know a lot of people are concerned with the future. They understand that things have to change and most understand that reduction is going to occur. They are concerned with how those reductions are going to occur. Well, I think at the same time, we need to send a message out to the people that in the future there are opportunities, and we need to point out what we are doing that is good for the people, not only what is bad.

As I said before, change, good or bad, brings stress, and nobody likes to deal with that side of change. Mr. Speaker, I think, as all Members of this Assembly, we need to give a more positive message out there, what we are doing is for the benefit, of not only the generation today, but of the generations to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Need To Communicate The Positive Aspects Of The Deficit Recovery Plan
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Members' Statements. Members' Statements, Mr. Erasmus.

Proposal To Establish A Mining Institute
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is on a Mining Institute and I listened with pleasure to the statement that the Minister made earlier concerning the training initiatives in the mining industry; however, I think that we have to do a bit more than has been done so far.

Mr. Speaker, I believe we need a concerted effort to take advantage of all these job positions. We need technicians, we need to be able to put a couple of years towards a degree or college diploma. I still think that Yellowknife is the best place to put this. People from the smaller communities could come here. We know that there are two mines right here in Yellowknife and other outlying mines in the neighbourhood where people could do their practicums, and I think that it could be quite well done.

We know that within these last impact benefit agreements there has been a precedent set. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Statement.

Proposal To Establish A Mining Institute
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

The Member from Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays. There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Erasmus.

Proposal To Establish A Mining Institute
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated I believe that this government has helped to set a precedent, as impact benefit agreements with the mining industry that wishes to open new mines, and that is so that the people of the outlying communities will be guaranteed jobs in those new mines; however, guaranteeing jobs in the mines is not going to help people if they are not trained in that area. We need meaningful training to take advantage, Mr. Speaker.

That training, without training, even with training, we cannot possibly fill all the jobs from the people in the communities, the smaller communities. There is not enough people that are interested to work in the mines. So, we are going to have to train other people, as well. That includes the larger centres: Yellowknife, Hay River, Rankin Inlet, if they want, whatever.

As I was saying there are a lot of jobs out there and I am not just talking about pre-employment, I am talking about training people in prospecting, millwork, mine safety, mechanics, electrical, miners, trammers, hoistmen, surveyors, engineers, truck drivers, mill operators, mechanical engineering technologists and technicians, welding engineers and technologists, industrial maintenance mechanics and other mechanical and welding skills, millwright mechanics, heavy duty equipment mechanics. All these are areas that require training, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate what the Minister of Education is attempting to do with his very, very, limited budget, but that is not enough, Mr. Speaker. We have to take the bull by the horns, we have to put some real money into training and it is the rest of us here, that have to agree, that the Minister can have this money so that he can put some real training in place. Possibly to start a mining institute, if not a mining institute, at least, a large branch of the college that could look specifically into this area.

Mr. Speaker, we all know that as soon as the college institutes some types of new training, everybody takes it, simply because they do not want to go south for their training. If we start this, I am sure the place will be full of people learning to take advantage of the jobs in the mining industry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Proposal To Establish A Mining Institute
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Members' Statement, Mr. Kakfwi.

Concerns Regarding An Article Written By A Former NWT Politician
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, thank you. I say that there is no joy at watching a has-been politician who knows only one high pitched note, he gets on the stage weekly to screech out that note of cognitive dissonance. Mr. Speaker, I read the Yellowknifer yesterday and it is clear that Mr. Nickerson wants some attention. Mr. Nickerson wants to be heard and it is also clear to me that Mr. Nickerson's knickers are in a knot, (laughter).

As a young man I first heard the voice of an MLA, a very high-pitched voice on CBC Radio in the 70s, having heard it, I wondered at that time whether this man's knickers were in a knot. Mr. Speaker, I later learned that this was Mr. Nickerson. A little later I had the chance to sit in the Gallery of the Territorial Council and I saw Mr. Nickerson stand, slick his hair back, and spew his rhetoric in broad daylight for all the world to hear. I was sure then that his knickers were in a knot, (laughter).

More recently, in fact, yesterday, I read that pain with which Mr. Nickerson pens his newspaper articles. Truly, Mr. Nickerson's knickers are still in a knot, and what a tight knot it must be, (laughter). However, on a compassionate note I hope Mr. Nickerson finds the strength and the courage to loosen his restrictions and open his shutters.

Mr. Speaker, it is evident that aboriginal people have made great progress with BHP and their recent discussions, in fact, agreements, they tell me, have been concluded.

Had Mr. Nickerson been BHP's advisor, I wonder if they would have been so flexible, so understanding, and so open in their approach to dealing with aboriginal people. We do not know, but perhaps Mr. Nickerson will write about that next week. Thank you.

Concerns Regarding An Article Written By A Former NWT Politician
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Members' Statements. Members' Statements. Returns to Oral Questions, Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 435-13(3): Claims Rejected By The Wcb In 1995
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on October 8th, with respect to claims rejected by the WCB.

I apologize, this is a fairly lengthy reply, Mr. Speaker. The number of claims denied, or rejected by the WCB in 1995 was 124. With regard to the appeal process there are two levels of appeal. The first level is the Review Committee which carries out documentary reviews of claims and revenue decisions. The Review Committee usually holds it's review within 35 working days of receiving the request for review.

The Appeals Tribunal is the final level of appeal. It consists of a member of the board of directors as chairperson, it has two members represent the workers' and two members representative of employers. The Tribunal sits in hearing panels of three, comprising of the chairperson, or acting chairperson, and one member from each representative worker/employer group. The Appeals Tribunal can only hear appeals of decisions reached by the Review Committee. It holds oral hearings or documentary hearings.

Delays can occur from either the Tribunal or the appellant; for example, the Tribunal may require additional information, or the appellant, may not be ready to proceed. On average the last 30 completed cases have taken 188 calendar days each, from the date the appeal was received, or reactivated, to the date the decision was reached. There are no time limitations in which the appellant must file a review of an appeal.

At the end of 1996 the Appeal Tribunal had 21 appeals to be heard. Whether or not an injured worker would receive some allowance from the Workers' Compensation Board while their appeal is in the process would depend on the issue being appealed if the claim had been denied then no benefits would be paid to the appellant while going through the appeal process.

If it was determined by either the Review Committee or the Appeal Tribunal that the claim should have been accepted then it is possible that benefits would be issued retroactively. In the event that an injured worker was receiving a pension, but was appealing the percentage of their pension award, or another issue on the claim then they would continue to receive the monthly pension while going through the appeal process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 435-13(3): Claims Rejected By The Wcb In 1995
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Morin.

Return To Oral Question 484-13(3): Broughton Island Airstrip
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a Return to Oral Question for Mr. Antoine, Minister of Transportation, on the Broughton Island Airstrip. On Monday, October 15, 1996 the Member from Baffin Central asked him about the condition of the Broughton Island Airport and the Department of Transportation's expenditures on its repair and maintenance.

The Member was correct in pointing out some of the physical deficiencies in the runway and lighting system at the Broughton Island Airport. I am pleased to report that this year, 1996, was the first of a four year program of extensive reconstruction at the airport. The project has been staged over several years to extend maximum opportunities for local involvement and employment.

This is the first year of the project involving crushing a 20,000 cubic metre supply of gravel for the job and relocating the access road to meet Transport Canada's zoning regulations. The Department has entered into a $380,000, two year, full authority, contribution agreement with the Hamlet for road construction.

Next year, 1997/98, the Department plans to begin runway reconstruction. Again, the purpose is to bring the airport up to meet Transport Canada standards and involves adding pre-threshold landing areas and widening of the runway. The Department has not yet completed the final design work, but an estimate of the project expenditures over two years is approximately $1.5 million.

The Member mentioned in his question that the airport is very close to the ocean and exposed to wind and spray. Indeed, the reconstruction plans call for the placing of armour rock on the apron embankments as protection from the waves in stormy weather.

The existing runway lighting is twenty years old and due for replacement. Once the earthwork at the airport is finished, the Department has scheduled the installation of new runway lighting in 1999/2000 at an estimated cost of $580,000.

From start to finish, the reconstruction of the Broughton Island Airport will cost roughly $2 million and bring the airport fully in line with Transport Canada's airport safety standards.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Oral Question 484-13(3): Broughton Island Airstrip
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Returns to Oral questions. Mr. Ng.