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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you. ...discuss this downsizing with NAV Canada, and obtain their agreement?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Barnabas. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes. The Department has had consultation and discussions with NAV Canada, and this is one of the concerns that we have with NAV Canada, is the whole question of flight service stations in the north. There is ongoing discussion with them. At this point in time, it is not really determined, whether they are going to go that route. We still have to get further consultation with them to determine that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Antoine. Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) As of August 8th, there was no change to this capital project. Would the Minister please explain how the decision was made to change the plan to include CARS, instead of FSS?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Barnabas. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you again Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this decision to include CARS in this air terminal building happened towards this fall, because we had to make some decisions. If we did not find out up to this point in time, we did not know whether the flight service station is called for, I think the federal government was doing away with all the flight service stations in the north, and a few of them still have it. This one in Resolute Bay is one of them that they are wondering whether they are going to keep it or not.

There is no confirmation, there is no decision at this time, whether the federal government requires it or not. The longer we wait for that decision, the longer this project is going to delay. So we had to make a decision. We decided that we should start with the airport terminal building. We do not know whether the flight service station is going to be in there or not. It is a big price, 1.6 million dollars, additional to the 2.5 that was transferred for it. So the decision was made that instead of going for the larger flight service station, we had to settle and design the building again for a CARS operation. As a result of that the decision was made. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Antoine. Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Would the Minister agree that funds were received from the Government of Canada to replace the terminal building, starting this year? It appears that federal

funds were available, but the Department of Transportation was unable to get moving fast enough to start work in this sea lift season. It was then decided to use this money elsewhere, and it was only at the last minute, that the decision to change from FSS status to CARS status was made, to justify the movement of the money to other projects. Would the Minister agree that this is how things have happened?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Barnabas. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

No, I do not agree with the interpretation of what happened here, Mr. Chairman. As I was trying to explain earlier, the longer we delay in doing any work this year, if we wait any longer then this whole project will have to be deferred until next year. So we are doing some work this year, and then we are doing the majority of the work next year, and finishing off in 1998/99.

I just want to also say that in the proposed plan, in this current plan, we were going to do a million dollars worth of work this year, two and a half million dollars next year, that is 1997/98, and one million dollars worth of work in 1998/99. But in this new proposed plan, we are planning to reduce $502,000 of work this year, and in 1997/98 we will do 1.1 million dollars work, and in 1998/99, we will do 1.2 million dollars. In our original plan, the plan was to complete the whole project by 1998/99.

With this newer plan, we are going to complete it at the same time. We are just moving some of the funds around in this first year. If we could have found out earlier this year that the federal government, whether they are going to have a flight service station or not, we could have started the work earlier. But we waited for the federal government to make a decision. They have not made a decision. We needed to get some work done. So we had to make a decision.

If you are concerned that if we move money around, then, we could have left the money in there, and the money would not have been put to work. It would have had to get lapsed next year anyways. Instead of doing that, we put some of that money to work in other places. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Antoine. Mr. Barnabas, do you have a final question?

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister provide copies of the correspondence with the Resolute Bay air terminal from the federal government for me to review?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Barnabas. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes. I will get that information that the honourable Member is requesting from the department. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you Mr. Antoine. I would like to know what process we are going to take here. I hope we are not going to go through item by item on this list, as to clarification for each project. Perhaps if I could ask Mr. Barnabas, are you satisfied with the answer, the explanation you received for the movement of your capital dollars in your riding.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation). No. I will get back to him. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

If I may ask, can you summarize now, what you think, so that we can get some kind of results to this whole discussion, so that we do not go home in limbo. Can you summarize what you think, is that agreeable with the committee? We need some kind of process here as to whether or not we are getting satisfactory answers. Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Right now I am not prepared for it. I will get back to you. Thank you Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

In that case, I will move on to Mr. Roland, MLA for Inuvik.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you Mr. Chairman. I liked some of the things the Premier had to say in his statement, as he started off. My concern comes from the principle of what has happened here. The whole talk of community empowerment is very good. We do have processes in place. It is called block funding, that has been developed, not just recently.

But my concerns come from statements, for example, yesterday, the Minister of Transportation mentioned, and I quote from the unedited Hansard, "Yes, it is new, it looks new on the new project, but it has been in the plans for some time, but it was not on the five-year capital plan."

My question would come out, then, it looks new, it was not on the five-year capital plan, but it was on some plan. Is there another list that we do not know about, is what it comes down to? Because of the statement here, is there another list out there of plans that are around? I grow concerned, there are some generalities, but unless we get down to the specifics of it, was this on the five-year capital plan, when the changes were made? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. I believe the question is directed to Mr. Antoine, the Minister of Transportation.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just for clarification. I am not going to make any excuses for using my second language, but it is a factor some times. The need for clarification here is that, when I am talking about the plan, is that, some of you that are new to this House, in the previous government, which I regard ourselves, as a continuation of. We did not just cut off at some point and totally start anew. This is an ongoing process.

In 1993, when I was the ordinary MLA, I tabled a petition regarding paving of the highway around the Fort Liard-Fort Simpson area. There was some response from the department noting that funding could not be found on short notice, and so forth. When I am talking about "it is in the plans", I am referring to it by saying that, yes, this has been in discussion, and the community has been involved in it with this department on this issue for quite a few years now. That is what I was referring to when I was saying "in the plan". No, there is no second list of anything like that. When I was making reference yesterday, in the unedited Hansard, that is what I was making reference to. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further on this area, we have heard now a number of times, that the community and the MLA were involved in a planning process with the community, from 1993, and again 1995 this was brought up. But earlier today, when I questioned the Minister of Finance on the weight they gave the five-year capital plan process, we were told that it is very important. It is an important tool that we use as a government to do our work. And I agree with that. As in committees, we went through the capital plan, and we deferred a number of projects in different regions and areas, on the order of importance.

Now we know this capital plan process has been in since the previous government. My question is then, if this was in the planning works, and important to the community, why then, was it not on the five-year capital plan?