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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Todd. Those are very nice words that the Premier stated earlier concerning community empowerment, community consultation and community priorities. I had a problem with that because my community last year had put as a priority the community hall. As most people know, we do not have a community hall in our community, and our community has grown a lot. I addressed that concern and it was deferred out of the capital plan and supposedly went into the plan this year. I asked a question to the Minister for Municipal and Community Affairs and I was told that my community had decided that the

community hall was not needed and now we would do modifications to the gymnasium. Then when I went back to consult with my community because I believe we have to consult, we have community empowerment, and so on and so forth, they told me they did not know what I was talking about. My question then is on the recreation centre complex in the Minister's riding that we talked about earlier. One of the main thrusts of that as Mr. Morin just said was community empowerment and how we consulted with community, and that was a priority of that community. In my case, it was a priority of my community. Arbitrarily, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has changed our capital budget and we have gone from one million dollars down to $250,000 to change the scope of the project.

I will read a letter, just a couple of lines, to give you an idea of where I am coming from. It says here, "At no time has our council or administration been party to any agreement to defer or alter the above-referenced project, the community hall. In fact, all modifications have been made without consultation with the community. Although disappointed, the council continue to plan for our community hall for the construction of 1997/98 only to discover last month and subsequent five year capital plans that arbitrarily changes were made again without consultation. The amount allocated now in 1997/98 has been reduced to $250,000 and the project scope to gym modifications."

My questions, of course, is the nice words the Premier has just said about community empowerment does not mean a hill of beans unless it is something that is going to be put down and actually acted on. My question is, what does he mean when he says community empowerment, when he says community consultation? Because, in this case, a major project has not had any type of community consultation, and in this case, again, the project was deferred out of a capital budget and we lost $750,000 in that.

The third point being, the scope of the whole project was changed to some gymnasium modifications. So, maybe Mr. Morin could tell me that first of all.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Morin, Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Ms. Thompson, she knows the issue.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Mrs. Thompson, Minister of MACA, would like to respond to that.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In response to the member of Iqaluit, I have quite a few letters of consultation that were done with the town of Iqaluit on this issue that were faxed over to me from the regional superintendent of that region, Mike Ferris. There has been a lot of consultation with the community and I have all these letters to prove it. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. I would like to caution the members that if the letter is not before the House you should not be holding them. Do you have further questions, Mr. Picco?

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Yes, I do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the consultation took place can, maybe, the Minister tell me if there was any agreement then from the town to defer or cancel or modify the project?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Picco, Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

There was a lot of consultation in regards to this community, how and I made an offer of $40,000 to do a study on an alternate and we have not received a reply yet for that study from the town. I know the superintendent of the region has been in touch with the office today. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

When did the Minister make the offer of $40,000 to do a study?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

It was on June 5, 96.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, in actuality, there was no agreement from the community to defer the program, there was no agreement from the community to modify the program, there was no agreement from the community, then, to change the scope of the project to gym modifications, is that correct?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

The town.. I received a letter form the town, which I received on August 12, saying that the town has accepted my offer of assistance for the study, but they have not come forward with when they want to get it done or... with community empowerment, community has to start thinking on their own and give me some feedback on what they want me to do. That is what community empowerment is trying to say. So, I had received this letter of August 12, they seem to be happy with what we were doing. I do not know what the member is talking about now, because we have done what we can with that community. The superintendent of the region lives in that community, a very well respected individual, we just had a chat with him today. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Final question, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Okay, well, the Minister does not understand what I meant or talked about, so I will ask again. Who authorized, if you had no agreement from the community, who authorized, then, the change to the project scope from the million down to $250,000 to gym modifications. Who authorized that? Did the community? Because we have already said that, yes, we sent letters back and forth but there was no agreement from the community, so someone must have come up with a plan to modify a gym, which does not specify what gym, and $250,000. To do that you would have to have the okay from the Baffin Divisional Board of Education which, of course, control the schools.

Is their a letter there from the Baffin Divisional Board of Education telling the town that, yes, we want to modify a gym? So, I want to know from the Minister then, who decided to change our project down? And is that community consultation?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Picco. I will take those four questions into one. You just want to know who modified the plan? Who authorized modifications? Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have not read all these letters because there are eleven pages of correspondence, but there has been consultation with the community and when they prioritize when there projects are in the town of Iqaluit I do not know what they have, but I am sure that the department looked at the existing facilities and with the cut backs, I am sure that was the best decision.

The member told me that there is no youth facility in town as I recall, there is a new parish hall that is used for the youth and three schools have three large gymnasiums and there is also a legion hall that is used for community facility. This community of Iqaluit has five recreations centres...

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Some Hon. Members

Shame. Shame.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

What is their priority? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Some Hon. Members

Shame.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Is there, could you possibly find out from your department who actually authorized this thing, are we looking for a deputy minister, what?