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Committee Motion 1-13(5): To Amend The Mid-term Review Process
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The Chair John Ningark

The motion is in order to the motion. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I move that committee motion 1-13(5) be amended by deleting the words "a maximum of four questions to each of the remaining Ministers, after questions to Mr. Kakfwi are concluded" and inserting the words "to ask one question at a time, on a rotating basis, until there are no further questions or a maximum of one hour has lapsed; and further that this process begin after questions to Mr. Kakfwi are concluded". Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. The amendment is in order. To the amendment. Madam Groenewegen and Mr. Steen. Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. I will not be supporting the motion or the amendment to the motion. We had a process that was agreed on here, maybe taking a little longer than it should, but to some of the Members, the Ministers left to be questioned, I do not have any questions for. For others, I have a line of questioning which I feel we should have the opportunity to deliver. I am very serious about this. I do not care if it has to go two Ministers tonight and two Ministers tomorrow. If we put that forward as a motion, we agreed to a process, we planned for it and I would feel deprived of my rights if I did not have the opportunity to question the four remaining Ministers in the same fashion as the first four. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the amendment, Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I speak to the motion and the amendment?

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Steen. No. To each, to the amendment. The original motion was moved and then, after the original motion subsequently it was an amendment to the motion. So the amendment to the motion, in this case, is at the table. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would prefer to speak to the motion later.

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The Chair John Ningark

To the amendment for the time being, Mr. Steen. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I cannot support this amendment simply because you need more than one question in order to get after whatever you are trying to get at. Usually you take one or two questions to set up the real question you want to ask. If we are only going to be able to ask one question and not be able to ask another for another forty, forty-five minutes, we may as well quit and shut it down, it is no use. We are here to ask questions. We agreed to this before we came here. We talked about it. I do not know how many times, and finally agreed to a process and all of a sudden people are trying to change things in the middle of the show because it is taking a little bit longer than they had expected. If people want to go a little faster, then do not take so long to answer the questions and do not take so long before you ask a question. I cannot support this amendment. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I had Mr. Picco. To the amendment Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will not be supporting the amendment to the motion as I also believe, after asking eight questions to the previous three or four Ministers, and to just turn the tables and only have one question in an hour to the other Ministers, is not fair. Is not the reason why you have the Mid-Term Review? I will not be supporting the amendment to the motion.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. This is the first time we have a full quorum since yesterday. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman. I think that was a good observation you made, that this place is empty most of the

time. Mr. Chairman, we agreed as well, and we knew from the outset, two days we would commit to this process. There is a two day deadline if you want to talk about changing the rules, that is one thing. We also knew that when we agreed to all the time allotments, if you added them all up and everybody used all their time, which everybody poo pooed, there would have been 55 hours plus. If you did an average it would be 27 hours plus. We are on the horns of a dilemma. How do we compress time? Einstein could not figure it out. I do not know if we are going to be able to. I do not really care at this point, how long it takes as long as we finish today. I am not interested, nor will I support extending this thing pass tomorrow. That is the one thing we committed to and all agreed to. Two days, that is it. If we want to stay all night, I am more than willing to do that.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. To the amendment, Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When the motion first came up, the amendment, I thought of supporting it but there was so much discussion on this, and how the process should follow. I think we will be doing ourselves a disservice from swallowing our own medicine. We wrote the prescription, we should take the medicine. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the amendment, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Ootes, you wanted to be the last one to speak. I have Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, will not be supporting the amendment. I feel if we started a process, there are rules that were set. We allow ourselves the time, if it takes a lot longer than expected, then so be it. For the public and the people we represent and to this Cabinet, that when we elected them to their positions, that basically this review was in the works, two years ago. It is not something that we just dreamt up. This is something we basically agreed was going to happen to make Cabinet and the Premier accountable not only to ourselves, as Members of this House, but the people we represent. I think we have to allow the process to continue as it was laid out. If it means going all night, so be it. Let us do it. We allow the speaker the flexibility to basically set the time to be allowed, so that we could conclude this procedure. I will not be supporting the amendment.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the amendment from the Members. I wonder if Mr. Ootes, I think the amendment has been determined. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

It could very well be, Mr. Chairman, however, I think in the interest of time I have made this amendment because I foresee that it will be a very long night and Members have to judge that for themselves. I did see how it went for the last two days and I must say, at times, there were two of us in here to ask Ministers questions. If that is the kind of interest we are going to show, then I am sorry. I want to express my concern about the length of time this is going to take. We have to be dedicated to this, and if we are going to sit here and keep our Ministers here, and there is going to be one person sitting here asking the Minister and one Minister back and forth, I think there needs to be a lot more interest in this process and I appreciate the Members have a lot of questions, I do too. As time goes, I will get my questions answered if I cannot get them answered here because we do have the process tomorrow to go into as well. Let the vote fall where it may. Mr. Chairman, I have done this on a basis of trying to bring some order to this system. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Premier to the amendment.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Cabinet will be abstaining and going on the will of the House. We are here as long as you guys want us to be here. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

To the amendment. Question has been called. All those in favour? Opposed? Amendment is defeated. To the motion. The original motion. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will not be supporting this motion. Along with the other Members, I knew coming in here there was no way we could fit 27 hours into two days. It did not even make good arithmetic. We knew before we got here, this thing is going to drag on for more than two days. If we are reasonable people. I would support a motion to report progress after we are finished with Mr. Antoine tonight. We can carry on tomorrow. We have stopped working for us and I, for one, cannot see where it becomes unreasonable sitting here until one or two o'clock in the morning, just to prove a point. We are going to wake up the dead. I think by one or two in the morning we just might as well call it quits because none of us are going to be asking reasonable questions and even tempers may start running short and it may be hard to control the meeting. I suggest we act like reasonable people and shut it down after two more Ministers. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

To the motion. Madam Groenewegen.