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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Thank you for a short question. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Power Corporation has enjoyed a very good relationship with Dogrib Power Corporation and, as I understand it, they are currently taking a look at the potential for further hydro development on the Snare system. I believe that one of the areas they are interested in developing the power flow would be in the diamond mining region as, at this point, it does not look like there would be much demand for additional hydro in Yellowknife. Therefore, they are looking at marketing the power in the minerals area.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Rabesca.

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Regarding education again, it has now been two years since we assumed our positions throughout the Northwest Territories. The Department of Education has provided a new Act which covers education in the north. At the same time there has been a movement for communities to have kindergarten through grade 12. Can the Minister provide me with information as to the status of having from kindergarten to Grade 12 in all communities? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. More than 90 percent of our communities offer high school programs within the community. The goal is to continue with grade extensions. We would like to see grade extensions in every community within the next three to four years.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Rabesca. Since I have no one left on the list, do the members agree that we are through questioning Mr. Dent? Thank you, Mr. Dent. I believe as the chair identifies each Member including Ministers is allowed ten minutes for wrap up. I am going to have some direction here whether we are going ahead with this or not. Do we proceed? Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now is the opportunity for the closing remarks of ten minutes each for every Member. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will try to keep my comments short.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Premier, I just took that as a question of clarification. I am sorry I did not mean for you to go right ahead into it. If you do not mind the chair needs a little break. I do not have a replacement at this point. Five minutes before we get into this wrap up. I recognize Premier Morin to start off the wrap up. Ten minutes each.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to take this opportunity to thank all of Cabinet for the excellent presentations they have made. We continue to work and work together as a team. I think it is very important. I would like to thank the Members of the Legislative Assembly for their suggestions and their raising of concerns that they do have. I would just like to make it clear to the Members that we have all your concerns recorded through Hansard. I am not going to sit here tonight and try and address each and every one of them. But we will try our best to address them. We heard what you said, and we will take that into consideration and will continue to work together. So thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Mid-Term Review has given us an opportunity for all Members and the Ministers to speak about where we have been and where we need to go, presented our constituency concerns and our personal concerns. Our question process was long. We set a record in the length of time we met. I think we are at something like 16 hours now. The process has been productive. While we were all concerned about the timeframe this process has taken, we have to remember one of the responsibilities that we have in addition to being the questioners of government programs is to keep the public informed and to do things in the public is extremely important. We have to ensure that the public can view and assess the work that we are doing.

Under the new committee system, more business has occurred in the standing committees. Therefore, we have to continually make efforts to ensure that we communicate with the public. A lot of ground work has been covered over the last two days through statements, questions and answers. The result has been that certain commitments have been made because of the questions of Ministers. I want to give an example of that. For instance, the Finance Minister has committed to re-examining the policies that are in place regarding contract policies such as RFPs. There are other examples that I will not refer to tonight. This review has taken a lot of time, but now Members need to digest what has been said, what has been committed to and what has not been committed to. We need to ask where our Cabinet Members are falling down? Where are the short comings other than tiredness? Where are the plans for the remainder of this Assembly?

On a personal note, I think this process has been very beneficial, enlightening and revealing for all Ordinary Members. While we have been very aggressive at times in our questioning, we have worked through two days of this process without raising a great deal of rancour. We have passed on our compliments where it was well deserved, such as the accolades paid to Mr. Antoine and Mr. Dent. On behalf of all the Members, I would like to thank the Ministers for their commitment to this process. Finally, I would like to thank Mr. Hamilton, the staff, the interpreters, the Ministers and their own staff for bearing with us. Thank you very much.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. I have Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. Even though Mr. Ootes kindly spoke on my behalf, I would like to add a few comments of my own. I can only hope that this has been a once in a lifetime experience. We started off with a lot of hype in the media and such and we have ended up with an exhausted whimper. If you look around, it has been an exercise in either endurance or attrition. We have not really reviewed, amended or changed our initial agenda of two years ago. We have had two marathon sessions of question period, many of which were fairly specific or constituency issues. Unfortunately, there was no clear resolution to issues like the Keewatin pipeline that was discussed tonight.

In my opinion, if I can focus this down for my own personal benefit and the benefit of the people I represent, I think our agenda from here on in should have two main priorities. We should be focusing all the available resources we have on our communities in the areas of employment and social issues. The other priority should be division and the smooth transition to April. For me and I hope for this Assembly, those will be two of our main priorities from here on in. Now we are all really tired, and we have earned what little rest we are going to get before we come back into this lovely place in a few short hours. Thank you very much.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. I have Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Madam Chair. I too would like to be brief. We have been here for many hours. I, too, would like to state that coming into this, we were focused on the Agenda for Change or that seemed to be the theme to start with. But to me we will go home and review the Hansard on some of our questions, and I think we could have done the same in question period and addressed it that way.

There has been some good work out of this though. I think we all have to ask what is good government. Good government is not just something we grade ourselves with. It is how we operate, the rules in the House that we proceed with, the conduct of Members as we discuss things or ask questions and receive answers. Good conduct and good government is how we as a government and how our Cabinet follow the rules and regulations set up by us. From some of the questions, we can all say that we in some areas fall short.

From here on out, we have to seriously ask ourselves, as people in the public will be, is this good government? As we heard Mr. Miltenberger say, there is probably a lot of people who were waiting for some big event. I think the big event here was a real eye opener, looking at the clock. It has been a long time since I have been up this late at night, or early in the morning, without being in trouble. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. I now have my honourable colleague from Iqaluit, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess we spent a lot of time in Caucus trying to set the process for this review. If the people have a problem with the length of time it has taken, we are all collectively to blame in this consensus form of government for that. We did look at the times. We allotted the questions. We also set up the formula that we asked for. It was not something that was imposed on anyone. We all had a

part to play in that during our Caucus decisions over the last couple of weeks until we got to this day.

I believe the review was done in a serious vein, in a serious light. I do not think it was perfect. Few things are. I think quite a bit of the information that came forward was good. Sometimes you get bogged down in the process of what is happening and not what actually is happening, trying to bring out questions of accountability, trying to look at things in the common agenda that we talked about earlier, and hopefully looking at where we wanted to go as some of the other Members have talked about between now and April 1, 1999. For some in this House, they will continue on in this location.

I think we have been here now since 11:30 last night. We are here now almost 2:30 this morning. I think that would show anyone in the public that we took it seriously. But once you go this length of time, I think it starts to wear very thin and starts to slow down a little on your questions and also your answers. After saying that, I think Mr. Roland said maybe people are expecting a non-confidence or removal of a Minister or something like that and personally I did not see any need to go that far in the line of questioning tonight. But those kinds of hammers are always in place in any type of parliamentary system. Not having to use it is a good thing and it is a good commentary. Although we have varying opinions on different issues, I think we are all in here for the same reason, for the betterment of the people of the Northwest Territories and of Nunavut.

I would like to thank the Cabinet Ministers for gracefully putting up with a barrage of questions over the last couple of days. Some of them were being repeated and the Ministers were giving the same answers, and I respect them for that and I also respect my fellow colleagues tonight who hung in here with a good sense of humour and tried to do the job that we were elected to do, that is to keep the government accountable and hope for the public.

I also would like to thank the media. I know they stayed here. I do not know if they have been getting any meals or anything. I would like to thank the media for allowing us this opportunity. Someone must be watching somewhere. I would like to thank the media for staying with us and hopefully reporting on what has occurred.

To you, Mr. Hamilton, and your staff and to the Sergeant-at-Arms and to Mr. Steen for his good work in the chair. Mr. Steen, thank you very much. I appreciate the free flow of information and the facilitation that you endeavour to do. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Closing comments. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it has been, I would say, a good two days and a long two days but it has been valuable to me. I would say that much. It has also been a valuable two years, up to now, working with the Members, Ordinary Members and with Cabinet. I find it a valuable experience. I am not as naive as I was the first day I came here. I realize that we did accomplish some of our agenda and we do have a ways to go. I hope that, along with the other Members I am sure, that the next two years are going to be more on a job creation agenda rather than on, reductions. If we are to take Mr. Todd, the Finance Minister's words as gospel, we should end up with a very small overall deficit.

I do not like to be looked at as the official opposition to Cabinet. I do not think that it is quite as productive as simply working with Cabinet, and I use question period simply as a way of getting information out from Cabinet to the public, rather than as the official opposition. I find it more productive, I think I am a little bit like Mr. Rabesca is that I do not ask that many questions, but I do a lot of listening. I do learn from the Members and from the questions and answers as to what exactly this government is trying to do.

I hope in the end that we accomplish and fulfil that agenda that we came up with at the start. Personally, I intend to work closely with Cabinet, Mr. Dent, Mr. Arlooktoo, Mr. Todd, the Premier, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Antoine, Ms. Thompson, and Mr. Ng. I intend to work with you people for the next two years or at least until your terms are up, closely and I hope that I can be of some assistance to the government in accomplishing our agenda. I thank the Members for your cooperation while I was trying to chair the meeting, especially Mr. Picco. With that, thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Closing comments. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I seek unanimous consent to return to question period. I could not do it anyways. Madam Chair, I just wanted to indicate that we have come a long ways. We have done some of the things we wanted to do that we had indicated in the Agenda for Change. But we still have a long ways to go. We have a lot of problems. We still have to deal with the pay equity, still have forced growth, still have to try to do something with the Northern Accord in my opinion, even though the Premier has indicated he does not want to whip a dead horse.

We still have to try to keep students going to post-secondary education with our shrinking dollars and with ever increasing numbers of students. We still have to deal with employment and investment strategies. I know we have implemented the Aurora Fund, but there are other investment strategies that we had worked on and still have to be completed and put into effect as well. We have to revitalize the Department of Personnel and some other independent monitoring agency to ensure that staffing is done fairly. We have to reinstitute a central switchboard so people can easily phone one another and get a hold of people; non-government people can phone a central place to easily get a hold of us and our staff. Certainly in the area of taking on aboriginal issues, there is a lot of work that needs to be done. I had indicated a couple of areas to the Ministers, one was the Treaty 8 tax-immunity area and also the commercial right to hunt and fish commercially, which should be treaty rights and which we are not recognizing and which we had indicated in the Agenda for Change that we would be respecting treaty and aboriginal rights. Madam Chair, as I said, we have come a long ways, but we still have a lot of work to do. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. I have Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Krutko. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be brief. I would just like to thank the Ministers and my fellow MLAs for the questions and answers that were received for some of tonight. Madam Chair, I hoped that we accomplished more than just setting a time record here. I think we have. I guess only time will tell. I think if anything that I have realized out of the question and answers over the last few days is that it is important to keep things on the political level and keep away from the personal nature. With that, Madam Chair, I will say good night. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Mr. Krutko.