Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Picco, your motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Picco.
Debates of Feb. 25th, 1997
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think this is a very important motion to bring forward at this time. I do not think the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has demonstrated to me or to this House that the regional librarian positions are not needed. I think they are needed. I think this motion spells that out in no uncertain terms and at the proper time I will ask for a recorded vote on this motion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Unless there is a plan to put all regional librarian's positions back in place, I cannot support it. Thank you.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Social Programs Committee addressed this issue in their report. I cannot support this motion either. I consider it to be contrary to the content of our report and the direction agreed to. We looked at it very carefully. We have addressed it with the Minister. We have responded to Mr. Picco. Unfortunately, in these times of restraint we all have to share the pain. I think Mr. Picco should keep that in mind. It is not something that we enjoyed doing, but we had to do a lot of things that we would rather not do. So, I cannot support this motion, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As a Member of the Social Programs Committee I cannot support this motion either. As previous Members have indicated, we did look at this item and we had to consider various other things and there are certain things in motion. Just to indicate that we want positions in certain places is not the proper way to go, in my
estimation at this time. I cannot support this motion. Thank you.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. To the motion. Do I have any further Members who wish to speak to the motion? Mr. Barnabas.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be in support of the committee motion because in my constituency they have to get books through ordering books from the regional office and we have been presenting petitions and I have been in support to keep this program going. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends.)
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. To the motion. I recognize the honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Picco, as the last speaker.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, honourable colleagues. I have noted a couple of the points made by some of the Members. First of all, Mr. Roland said about putting all the regional librarian positions back into the budget. Well, we are only dealing with the budget for 1997-98. I know it is pretty hard to talk about previous budgets and previous governments. So, I think that is a redundant issue. The social programs, two Members, Mr. Miltenberger and Mr. Erasmus as Members of that committee which I had sent letters to, requested meetings from the Minister and I understand they did look at it. I just find their position on it not acceptable to me and therefore my motion. I would also commend them for looking at it in a very serious vein and I would ask for a recorded vote in respect of the committee for these positions. These are people we are talking about. They are not numbers. They are in need of positions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Todd.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is my final comment. I thought Mr. Todd was waving at me, but I see he is usually saying hi or something.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Picco. The Member for Iqaluit has asked for a recorded vote. I will ask those that are for the motion to please stand.
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Deputy Clerk Mr. Schauerte
Mr. Picco, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Evaloarjuk and Mr. Barnabas.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Deputy Clerk Mr. Schauerte
Mr. Roland, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Henry, Mr. Ningark.
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Deputy Clerk Mr. Schauerte
Mr. Antoine, Mr. Morin, Mr. Todd, Mr. Arlooktoo, Mr. Dent.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you. Results of the recorded vote. For the motion, five. Against the motion, six. Abstentions, five. The motion is defeated.
-- Applause
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The Chair Vince Steen
We are on page 9-20, operations and maintenance, educational development, total operations and maintenance, $151,487,000. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just in the area of early childhood services, according to the information tabled in this House on January 31, 1997, the early childhood services is going up from $2.7 million to $6 million. Can the Minister inform me and this House the items covered in this increase? Thank you.
Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Committee Motion 25-13(4): Recommendation To Retain Baffin And Keewatin Regional Librarians In The 1997-98 Budget
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the major difference in the early childhood services will be the early intervention or healthy children initiative that I previously announced. That accounts for about $3.5 million.