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Members' Statement On Impact Of Reductions To Women's Groups
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Hay River is requesting unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? No nays. Conclude your statement, please. Thank you.

Members' Statement On Impact Of Reductions To Women's Groups
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Women are asking, are these cuts fair? Women are wondering what this says about this government's stated commitment to work for women's equality, when it is willing to place so little value on the work of women who are working for women. Mr. Speaker, I hope this Legislature will reconsider its decision to cut women's program funding by ten percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Members' Statement On Impact Of Reductions To Women's Groups
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Picco.

Overview Of Shakespeare's "julius Caesar"
Item 3: Members' Statements

February 2nd, 1997

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, good representation usually brings good government. This morning I spent over an hour and a half attempting to download information on William Shakespeare. There were 1,832 matches for the site. Mr. Speaker, I will now give an overview of William Shakespeare's play, Julius Caesar. The three villains in the play, Julius Caesar, are Cassius, Brutus and Anthony through the use of their rhetoric and deceitfulness. Cassius is the first character that really stands out as a villain. He uses his craftiness early on in the play to win Brutus to the conspirator's side. "If I have a veil, my look, I turn the trouble of my countenance merely upon myself". Brutus, Act I, scene II. Cassius is consumed with jealousy. His talent for rhetoric is displayed when Cassius goes to any means necessary to convince both the other conspirators and the crowd that Caesar was a totalitarian dictator. Another villain of Julius Caesar is Brutus. The only reason that Brutus fits into the category of a villain is because of the way he betrays a friend. Brutus could have handled Caesar his own way. He did not have to give in to the crowd, so instead of working out a solution himself, he gave into a solution that would yes, solve the problem but would take a man's life as pay out.

The last villain in Julius Caesar is Anthony. Anthony takes a severe turn for the worse after Caesar dies. While Caesar is alive, he is a very loyal and just to his friend who he appears to admire and respect, but when he sees the opening for power, he does a 180 degrees turn.

What epitomizes this is when he trades his cousin's life for an uncle. I do not believe that Julius Caesar had a snowball's chance in Hades to actually live the rest of his life. When he became that successful, he signed his own death warrant. The three villains who helped him sign that warrant were Cassius, Brutus and Anthony. All doing it for the good of Rome.

Mr. Speaker, my point, of course, is that the information highway and modern technology, the Minister of Education is hoping will replace books is a long way off. The same information, I just read out, would have taken me about five minutes using the tried and true Dewey Decimal system to find and research as facilitated by the regional local libraries and librarians who will not be there if the proposed layoffs and reductions continue. Et tu, Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

Overview Of Shakespeare's "julius Caesar"
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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 93-13(4): Decision To Replace Chair Of The Liquor Licensing Board
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Henry on January 23, with respect to the chair of the Liquor Licensing Board. Mr. Speaker, I have been informed that a letter was indeed sent to Mr. Williams on December 10, 1996, by the former Minister responsible for the Liquor Licensing Board, the Honourable Jim Antoine, informing Mr. Williams that his appointment was revoked effective December 13, 1996. Unfortunately, this letter was returned undelivered by the post office. Mr. Williams is therefore correct that he did not receive official written notification of the termination of his appointment. Mr. Speaker, I again wish to apologize to Mr. Williams for this unfortunate situation, as I indicated in my earlier response to Mr. Henry. This is not an acceptable standard and it should not have happened. I will ensure that a new letter is immediately sent to Mr. Williams, advising him of these developments, and I sincerely hope that he will accept my apology on behalf of myself, the former Minister Mr. Antoine, and the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

-- Applause

Return To Question 93-13(4): Decision To Replace Chair Of The Liquor Licensing Board
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Returns to oral questions. Madame Thompson.

Return To Question 51-13(4): Status Of Transfer Of An Edo To Hall Beach
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns to oral questions. The first one was asked by Mr. Barnabas on November 29, 1996, that is of the EDO transfer to Arctic Bay community empowerment. A letter was sent to the Member on December 12, 1996 during session break to advise him of the situation in Arctic Bay. I stated in the letter the municipal office is fairly new having been completed in 1993. It is able to accommodate perhaps two more people. In addition, there is a possibility that some GNWT office space might become available for the hamlet depending on the nature of future program transfers. The Economic Development Division of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is working with the hamlet on the transfer of the economic development function. A draft agreement was provided to the hamlet on Friday, January 24, 1997. Our superintendent in Iqaluit is continuing to facilitate the community empowerment process and will work with the community and departments in the Baffin Region on program transfers.

Return To Question 147-13(4): Adm For Community Empowerment
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

I have another return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on January 28, the question of the ADM for community empowerment. I am able to advise the Member and this House that four candidates were interviewed for the position of assistant deputy minister, Community Development and Empowerment. Two candidates were northern applicants; two candidates were southern Canadian applicants. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 147-13(4): Adm For Community Empowerment
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you, honourable Minister. Returns to oral questions. Are there further returns to oral questions? Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a former member of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, who is now with the Anglican Church here in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Patrick Scott.

-- Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas of the NWTTA who is keeping a close eye on Mr. Todd, for sure. Welcome to the House.

-- Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Welcome to the House. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure whether they are here but they said they were going to be. I would like to recognize Mr. Don Webb and his wife, Gwen Webb, two constituents of mine from Fort Smith who are on some business in Yellowknife.

-- Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. That was very kind of you but unfortunately, they are not here. Thank you anyway. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the proposed new funding formula for libraries seems to be very unfair on several levels. Using a formula based solely on population fails to recognize the higher costs

in Nunavut and the dis-economies of scale of providing services to smaller communities. The result is that Yellowknife, yes Yellowknife, the richest community in the Northwest Territories, will have its funding increased at the expense of every other community which currently has a library. In total, funding for communities in the western Northwest Territories, will increase by $100 thousand, while funding for communities in Nunavut, will decrease by $60 thousand. This is not acceptable, Mr. Speaker. This method of calculating funding levels sets a very dangerous precedent in the division of the Northwest Territories' assets and liabilities. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Can he explain this formula for me?

Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. The Honourable Minister for Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we have a proposed formula, I will be happy to explain it to the Member. The Member seems to have obtained a draft, which was not intended for public consultation. As I told the House last week, there was a first cut sent out to regional superintendents for comment before being refined further. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are proposals and then there are prophecies. Some times the prophecy follows the proposal. After saying that, someone else once said that you can find any word in the dictionary, but only if you know how to spell it first. This is the same for the Internet. You have to know how to use it before you can get information from it. So, my question to the Minister is, we do not have supportive regional librarians, and you are reducing the funding as supposedly proposed, can the Minister explain to me who will be providing these supportive services at the community level?

Supplementary To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have told Members in this House, the other regions in the Northwest Territories seem to be able to get the services quite adequately. I am confident that we will continue to be able to provide those services in the Baffin and Keewatin after the two positions are eliminated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is very hard to argue against the Minister when he says that this debate, I should not use the word argue because I am not trying to argue, when he says, and probably rightfully so, that those positions will be eliminated. What does that mean when he says eliminated? I have to ask. Does that mean we are not going to have any libraries? Because a library is more than just the people, it is also the services that these people are providing. It is my understanding, Mr. Speaker, that there is a possible increase to the Yellowknife library budget. Part of this is supposed to go towards supporting interlibrary services in the east. However, I understand the Yellowknife library has a policy that they service their clients first and then send materials out. Can the Minister explain how increasing funding to the Yellowknife library will help provide better services to the Baffin and Keewatin communities, which he is telling me will not suffer? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.