Thank you, Mr. Roland. Madam Minister.
Debates of Feb. 11th, 1998
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My deputy minister will take that question.
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Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can appreciate that Members would like to have this level of detail. I would just like to explain that once communities are in a block funded situation we no longer require them to provide us with that level of detail in terms of the scope of work in a project, et cetera. That is really identified up front when we are negotiating in terms of the kind of projects they think they will need. In terms of the current detail, in what they currently have planned for that project, that is information that we would have to go to the village and request that they provide to us so that we could provide it to the Member. If that is what the Member is asking then we could undertake to provide that. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That information would definitely be nice to have but going back to the initial discussion, there must have been included, something that is required, not something that is planned but actually required. We must have an idea of what amount was tagged to that initially. Do you have any information on that?
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Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think what we would have to do is go back to our own files with respect to the information that was on the table at the time of negotiations to see what was there. As Mr. Christensen pointed out, the flexibility in block funding agreements allows communities to change the scope of work as priorities or requirements would change in the community. We could not guarantee that is what exactly is being billed. That is why we would have to go to the community to get the current plan. Just to point out, for those projects that MACA is directly funded, we do bring into the House detail on each of those capital projects in anticipation of questions. Where we are having a little bit of trouble today responding as adequately as Members would like with block funding agreements, that is simply not required of the communities any more, therefore we do not bring that level of detail with us. We can go back to the communities and provide it if it is helpful.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand the flexibility we are trying to give the communities. I, myself, being a representative of a fairly large community agree with that process, but also one of the things, for example, if I use Inuvik. Although the utilidor high temp system was pulled out and that agreement has been agreed to by FMBS for go-ahead work, the amount initially negotiated was worked on a deal the community would have to get the government's agreement that these projects were significant and the dollar figures attached were accurate figures to begin our negotiations. We know there is some flexibility allowed to communities, we know that some requirements are there, but initially this amount that set, is it a three year or a four year contract? Those were initially worked out so that would have set the stage for how much the amounts were negotiated for. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe that was just a comment not a question. It is three years for the block funding agreement.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Madam Minister. I am on page 4-19. The total of capital contributions for Fort Smith region, total region, $5.817 million and I have Mr. Krutko and Mr. Henry. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move a motion, because I believe we need more information and detail on this matter. I would like to move a motion to defer. I move that the committee defer part of the consideration of the items of contribution, Fort Smith region under detail of capital and activity, community operations in the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs at this time.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. We will take a five minute break and have your motion translated.
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Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
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The Chair Vince Steen
I would like to call the committee to order. We have a motion on the floor, moved by the Member from Mackenzie Delta and the motion is:
I move that this committee defer further consideration of the item contributions Fort Smith region under the detail of capital for the activity community operations in the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs at this time. I am advised the motion is not debatable.
I will call a show of hands. All those in favour of the motion? All those opposed? The motion is defeated.
I will ask the Minister to please take her seat and we will return to item activity contributions to Fort Smith region, total region on page 4-19 is $5,817 million. Mr. Henry.
Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When did Fort Simpson become a tax-based municipality and does the department have any figures on what will generate each year in taxes in the community? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
I am sorry, Mr. Chairman. We do not have that detail. We will provide it to the Member as soon as we can. Thank you.
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Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the Minister could let us know when they would have that figure. Can the community save their block funding each year, bank it, and use it for a plan for a larger project in future years? Can they use that money for operating? The portion of the block funding for capital, can it be used for operating in the community? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am advised, yes, to both questions.
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Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
The Minister may have missed, when will the information be available as to when Fort Simpson became a tax-based municipality and what are the projected revenues from taxes raised in the community?