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Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the way block funding seems to be arranged and practised in regard to discussion that has gone on so far today, it seems like there is not a real grasp of exactly who controls what. Especially in the way these funds have been allocated. The formula that is used to come up with these amounts, also the idea of communities having the ability to use these funds and move them around.

It worries me. You keep referring back to the example of the block funding arrangement for the different regions to block fund our regional fund to the different regions that are in place. In regard to the Beaufort Delta, it is through a negotiated process, yet in regard to the Keewatin, the formula, they seem like they want to take over infrastructure, operations and maintenance, capital, the whole works. It scares me to think that if this is the way we are dealing with this item, in this budget, and not having a grasp on exactly who is doing what and exactly what the amounts are for and exactly what the projects are going to be, I think we should really take a second look at exactly where this government is going, when it comes to regional empowerment. We are blocking block funding, everything lock, stock and barrel to any particular region with no controls or mechanisms in place to ensure accountability and the finances of this government are kept in tow. Someone has control of it from either the department or the Department of Finance or in this House. It seems like once we approve this budget, it is out of our hands. I thought with division coming around the corner, there are certain mechanisms that are in place where we have to know exactly what is the new government going to look like but also what control mechanisms which are in place to ensure this government is accountable, and how it goes forth with budgetary items. This is a good example. It is scary.

Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. I am not sure I hear a question there but I will allow the department to respond. Madam Minister.

Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to say, there are a lot of restrictions and each community is allocated capital funds, based on their need. It is not that they just go and put out a shopping list. When we go line by line we know each community is allocated certain capital projects. This is not just a chaotic process where people do not know what is happening and it is just a dollar figure they put to it. There is a process that has been put in place for years and criteria for capital dollars. I am not sure what the question was, but I will ask my deputy minister to elaborate more on that. I would just like to say there is a system in place and we follow it well. The capital dollars are based on the need of the community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Madam Minister. I will allow the deputy minister to respond and then I will recognize the clock.

Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think I heard a concern about accountability in the Member's comments. How is the community now accountable for that funding, once they get a block funding agreement, since they do not come back to the House with that detail?

It is probably fair to point out, accountability does shift to the community level. When block funded communities, which are taxed-based go out for capital projects, we are not providing them with 100 percent of the funding often that is required for those projects. They are frequently going out to borrow to finance the other portion that is required. In doing so they go to the rate payers for approval. Often these money bylaws are voted on in a plebiscite. There is some very direct accountability to the residents of that community for how their council plans to spend the block funded money they received from our department. There is still accountability directly to those ratepayers. If the ratepayers think that the project the municipality is proposing, is not one they wish to support, they certainly can defeat that plebiscite and therefore, the approval of the bylaw. There are checks and balances and it would be wrong for us to leave an impression with you that once this block funded money is voted, there is no longer any accountability and the municipality can go off and build whatever they like. In reality it just does not work that way. Their capital budgets are brought forward for review through a finance committee of their council. They are voted and discussed in their municipal councils in a very public forum. If there is a requirement for borrowing to supplement the funding, that is provided through the block funding agreement, which is done through a plebiscite and voted on by the ratepayers in the community. I would like to end there by saying although that detail does not appear here, it certainly is accounted for at the community level, by the community residents, directly to their council. I hope that is helpful. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Ms. Ballantyne. With that, I would like to recognize the clock, rise and report progress. I thank the Minister and her witnesses for appearing before the committee.

Committee Motion 11-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. Good evening. We are on item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Steen.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

February 11th, 1998

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99 and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of committee of the whole be concurred with.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Seconded by Mr. Ningark. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, there is a meeting tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. of the Standing Committee on Government Operations, at 11:00 a.m. of the Caucus, at 11:30 a.m. of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, and at 12:00 noon of the Management and Services Board.

Orders of the day for Thursday, February 12, 1998:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions 5. Recognitions of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Oral Questions

7. Written Questions

8. Returns to Written Questions

9. Replies to Opening Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 5, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act, No. 2

- Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Territorial Court Act

- Bill 9, Loan Administration Act, 1998-99

18. Second Reading of Bills

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Bill 6, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act

- Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99

- Committee Report 02-13(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations, Report on the 1998- 99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 03-13(5), Standing Committee on Infrastructure, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 04-13(5), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 05-13(5), Standing Committee on Social Programs, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Tabled Document 15-13(5), 1998-99 Budget Address

- Tabled Document 19-13(5), Guidelines for Implementing Public/Private Partnerships

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

22. Orders of the Day

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

This House stands adjourned until Thursday, February 12th at 1:30 p.m.

--ADJOURNMENT