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Committee Motion 10-13(5): To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

Committee Motion 10-13(5): To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Member is referring to a case that we are not aware of, where negotiations are going on for years on end. If the Member can give us specific examples we can provide him details. We do not have, to my knowledge, concerns being raised about specific examples of negotiations going on and on for years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 10-13(5): To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Perhaps the honourable Member could be a little more specific. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In Aklavik, the Joe Greenland Centre has been negotiated for a number of years. Once the negotiations took place, the Ministers have put in place different conditions, in which it forces the communities to wonder exactly is it to their advantage to continue those negotiations while terms are being changed as those negotiations are going on?

Committee Motion 10-13(5): To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and thanks to the Member for giving us the specific case. This question is for Health and Social Services. This was being negotiated long before community empowerment came to MACA. It is not covered under community empowerment in MACA. Those are questions for Health and Social Services. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 10-13(5): To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Community operations. I have Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the time restraints in negotiations, usually it is based on a couple of years and then that is the end of it. There have been negotiations going on in a lot of the eastern Arctic communities for a number of years. In regard to the Aklavik initiatives which they have been negotiating for almost over four years now, in which they have been trying to take over different responsibilities in the communities where it is one thing or another, they do not have the adequate resources or the individuals whom they do have, from the government side, do

not have the full mandate to make these decisions. It always has to come back to Yellowknife. So those are the types of initiatives that I am talking about, where there is a long time delay as to how these negotiations are happening. Yet we hear of other community empowerment initiatives where we are looking at devolving a lot of these authorities to regional bodies which want to block fund everything within a region in a short period of time. Why is there such a difference between those negotiations and the negotiations that have been going on in the past where communities are still trying to take on a lot of these initiatives, yet this government is looking at the whole idea of some sort of block funding arrangement regarding the Keewatin region?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are not aware of negotiations in the east that are going on for years and years. As I said before, what he referred with this Joe Greenland facility and the negotiations going on and on for years and years, that is a question for Health and Social Services. We have just taken over community empowerment and under that initiative is block funding. I think that is what he is referring to. In the east, I am not aware of all these negotiations going for years and years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Your time is up, Mr. Krutko. I have Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have some questions in relation to community empowerment. I would like some clarification if I could on the Keewatin pilot project. My understanding is that there is a motion that was agreed to by the leadership that related to the transfer of all Keewatin regional infrastructure, complete control of all GNWT capital funding designated for the Keewatin region and the GNWT O and M funding that can be attributed, either directly or indirectly, to the management of infrastructure in the Keewatin region. When I read this, my sense is, you are talking all government infrastructure, all O and M funding direct or indirect, which I would assume would include money for staff. I would like the Minister to clarify what is covered by the Keewatin pilot project in terms of turning funds over? Could she put a potential dollar figure on that? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my deputy minister to give the details as she has it in front of her. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Ms. Ballantyne. Thank you.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Keewatin pilot project is a proposal at this point and it is meant to cover a number of items. I will just list them for the Member's information. To transfer the management, maintenance and operation of all community based infrastructure to Keewatin community governments; to enter into management agreements for all regionally based community infrastructure with a Keewatin communities association, or similar structure; to implement one multi-department block funding formula financing arrangement for capital and related O and M requirements through contributions; and to transfer capital project management responsibility to the Keewatin communities association or to community governments.

It is important to point out this is very conceptual at this stage. It is really an idea that we are trying to work out in collaboration with the Keewatin communities to see if there is another better way from a community perspective to have these decisions made closer to the local levels. I would underline it is very much a concept at this point, that we are still working out with communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister or deputy minister then indicate what type of time lines you are working on? If there is approval of this, what is anticipated to happen April 1st? Maybe you could also just let me know, has there been a comprehensive plan submitted which, I understand, was supposed to have been done by January? Maybe if you could answer those ones first, please? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will answer the last question first. No, there has not been a comprehensive plan submitted to Cabinet at this point. We have developed a proposal outline which we are planning to discuss with Keewatin mayors, the Keewatin Inuit Association and the two boards in Rankin Inlet the week of February 17. This will really be the first formal discussion that we have had with those communities about what this project could potentially look like. It will be providing them with a greater level of detail than they have seen before, but what some of the issues are. Certainly, it is very complex. Following that, if the communities agree that the proposal outline looks like something they want to pursue and if we are in agreement with them on a time frame, then that is the point at which we would be bringing it back for a green light before doing the next step of developmental work. There have been a number of issues that have been identified in developing this proposal outline. They range from some of the liability and cross-indemnification issues, we just talked about earlier, through to some very complex issues around insurance, et cetera. We have been working through those issues not only with the communities, but also with the Association of Municipalities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 10-13(5): To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister or deputy minister clarify for me, or maybe give me a bit of a comparison between what is taking place in the Beaufort Delta and has been taking place for the last half dozen years in terms of trying to negotiate what seems to be very similar to what you are talking about here? There was a wholesale transfer of all government services, yet this one, it seems, you are attempting to fast track it. They have been doing it and have been going through painstaking negotiations.

Is there a similarity? Is there something missing here? Why is one so different from the other, given the complexity you just talked about? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my deputy minister to elaborate some more, but I would just like to say, the big difference is in the Beaufort Delta. It is a regional government that you are dealing with. In the Keewatin region, they are not trying to form a regional government as they told the committee, just a few days ago. It is a regional organization getting together to find a better way of managing their dollars. There is a big difference. A government that cannot make laws, they are not out to make laws, they are not trying to take your lawmaking authority. In the east, in the Beaufort Delta, we are dealing with a regional government. I will ask my deputy minister to give you some more details. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam deputy minister.