This is page numbers 1265 - 1297 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Members Present

Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Erasmus, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as this sitting draws to a close, I would like to express my appreciation for the work of the members of the public service of this government. In the last few years, we have faced unprecedented change and challenge. With cuts to federal transfers, we have had no choice but to downsize, consolidate departments and reduce wages and benefits. We have decentralized and privatized some functions and transferred others to communities and boards. At the same time we have piled more work on fewer staff. With the creation of two new territories, and the implementation of new structures of government in the west, there are even more challenges on the road ahead. Yet through all of the change and uncertainly, we are surrounded by loyal, dedicated and hard-working staff. People who have and will continue to implement these tough policies and to make the changes work.

I had the opportunity to speak with a few of our managers last week, and I can tell you I was very impressed with their energy and commitment. Energy and commitment that I believe can be found throughout all levels of the public service. I would like to take this opportunity to express my appreciation for the work of all of our employees, to everyone working for community governments and for our boards and corporations. Mr. Speaker, the time has come to stop the erosion of our staff resources. We need our workforce, both in the east and the west, more than ever as we face the challenges ahead. As Minister Todd stated in his Budget Address at the beginning of this sitting, our staff is our most valuable resource. It is time to provide some stability and certainty to these people.

To that end, I am pleased today to announce that for the remainder of its term, this government plans no more layoffs, either due to division or to department consolidations.

--Applause

Beyond that, we will also continue to try to find alternatives for those who have already been given notice.

We know the future western government will have to be smaller. With the creation of Nunavut, we may need to look at rationalizing some organizational structures. But as much as possible, we plan to do this through ongoing staff turnover, reassignment and voluntary separation.

Again, Mr. Speaker, let me repeat, there will be no more layoffs during the term of this government.

Our staff really is our most valuable resource and this government is committed to taking care of that resource, both for today and for the future. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson.

Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to congratulate my regional superintendent, Mr. Mike Ferris, on his recent appointment to the position of deputy minister, Community Government, Housing and Transportation for the Government of Nunavut.

Mr. Ferris has worked for MACA for 19 years, all in the Baffin Region. He is well known for his commitment, hard work and dedication. He has been a key member of the senior management team of MACA and is highly regarded by his colleagues at headquarters and in the region.

Mr. Speaker, I am particularly pleased with Mr. Ferris' appointment because he knows the Inuit and our communities well. He loves the land as we do. He enjoys hunting and fishing, as we do. In his home community of Iqaluit, he is a dedicated volunteer and plays a key role in his church and his community. Mr. Ferris is well known throughout Baffin for his commitment to emergency services. As a person who respects the power of nature and the land, he has always been very responsive to community emergencies whether they are search and rescue, fire response or emergency preparedness planning. He always does his very best to give all the assistance that he can provide.

Mr. Ferris has a well-deserved reputation as a person who works very hard. In a recent News North article, Mr. Ferris was identified for being in his office well into the evening, having put in another 13-hour day. This is typical of his dedication and commitment to getting the job done. I know that Mr. Ferris would be the first to say that any achievements he has made, have been made with the support of his team of excellent staff. I also know that his staff would be the first to acknowledge Mr. Ferris' excellent leadership and management skills.

Mr. Speaker, in closing I would like to say again how proud I am that Mr. Ferris has been chosen to be the deputy minister of the Department of Community Government, Housing and Transportation. I know his colleagues in MACA wish him all the very best in his new position. I invite Members of this House to join me in extending our thanks to Mr. Ferris for a job well done for MACA over the past 19 years, and our warmest congratulations and best wishes for every success in his new position in Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased today to announce the completion of a document called Towards Excellence. This document includes information that can be used by parents, educators and departmental staff to determine where the Kindergarten to Grade 12 system is doing well, and which areas need improvement. Although the final printing will not be done for a few weeks, I have given advance copies to Members of this Assembly.

Towards Excellence covers 30 indicators. Included are, for example, types of programs offered in communities, the amount of money spent on education, qualifications of educators and the Grade 12 graduation rate. The information in the document is from the 1994-95 school year. The data in this report will provide a baseline against which the progress of our school system will be measured.

A second document, to be released later this year, will update the indicators to the 1996-97 school year and will include additional indicators of student achievement. Education, Culture and Employment is committed to publishing regular updates of Towards Excellence every second year. Similar reports will be published on post-secondary education.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today marks the end of our session to conclude the last budget for the combined two territories. From now on, there will be two separate budgets. I thought it would be appropriate today for me to recap some of the areas that have been of concern during the last month and a half that we have been sitting. One of the areas that I have dealt with is the economy of Yellowknife in various ways. One area of importance was the downturn in northern mining. I addressed that concern by trying to get the federal government to address the gold reserves in this country. Canada is made up of many gold mines and yet Canada sold off its reserves. I was interested this morning in hearing a report that former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney is in Europe talking with the bankers there to try and dissuade them from selling off their gold reserves. So that was an interesting commentary I heard this morning. The other issue I had was the splitting of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs, mainly because I feel that we need a concerted concentration on northern economic development and northern issues. The Minister does an excellent job, but she is overwhelmed with the Indian Affairs portfolio, and naturally so, and we should congratulate her and compliment her on her efforts there. We also need help here in the north, Mr. Speaker. The other item was the transfer of jobs to the north that are presently within the federal government departments. I was very interested again to hear on the radio this morning that the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs is addressing this issue and they are looking at ways and means by which this can be done. That was an excellent report on my part. Mr. Speaker, to conclude I would like to take a moment to thank the staff of the Legislative Assembly and the staff of the various departments of the territorial government for being understanding and of great assistance during this session and during our last budget together. Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we are all very well aware and thankfully aware, the budget will be a done deal after today. I just want to state again that the issue now is division. Division, Mr. Speaker, and all issues related to division. As a western MLA, my focus is now going to be almost exclusively on making sure that the west is ready for division, that we are up and running and there is a smooth and seamless transition. We do have some joint housekeeping sessions left as a joint Assembly where we have to put through legislation and take care of that outstanding business to take us up to division. Very clearly Mr. Speaker, we have to focus on, as we run up to division, the issues related to the economy and social programs giving a clear mandate and recognition that

east and west will be deciding their own fate from here on in. The focus has to be division for the next year and only division as the main driving force for us. The countdown has begun in my opinion. We have lots to do and a long road yet to travel. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the statement I would like to make today is in regard to ourselves as regular Members of this Legislature where there are times that we ask a lot of questions to the Cabinet and raise a lot of issues that affect our communities on a day-to-day basis. Those questions that we ask, are not questions that we just basically think about. Those questions come from individuals in our communities who call us, fax us and make us aware these concerns are real in the communities. I made a statement yesterday in the House in regard to the circumstances we find ourselves in a lot of small aboriginal communities, where there is a cycle of violence and death associated with that violence.

As an elected Member to this 13th Assembly, there are a lot of times we have debates and concerns raised in this House about the way government spends its money and the way we feel we have been treated from one community to the next, from the small communities versus larger centres. Those motions and questions that are asked in this House have to be taken seriously and taken in the context that we represent constituents as we are the voice of those people. Through those motions and different concerns we raise, hopefully, we will make it better for the lives of the people we represent in our communities. Things I speak about I have seen happen in different areas or communities in regard to pilot projects, block funding arrangements with large municipalities, one-time funds for different municipalities.

Most of all, there are certain feelings that I have of the different way, with division coming on, a lot of times the support I get in this House comes from my eastern colleagues. With that, I will be missing that support from the Members from the east. Mr. Speaker, I passed a lot of motions. There are times, especially with Cabinet Members feeling the frustration of motion sickness from this Member of this side of the House.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Ms. Thompson.

Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be talking in Inuktitut. I would like to make the statement about the concern that my constituents have voiced about NTI's delivery and monitoring of programs that are leading to inadequate management of Nunavut Land Claim Beneficiary Funds.

Mr. Speaker, the hamlet of Coral Harbour has recently protested the effectiveness of the Hunter Support Program and refused to participate on the selection committee. The constituents of Coral Harbour feel that its $70,000 allocation can be better managed by the community. They believe that these funds can have a broader impact if used to develop hunting related businesses such as snowmobile, ATV rentals, a meat plant for the caribou harvest or a slaughterhouse for butchering meat and drying skins. Business ventures such as these are initiatives from which everyone can benefit as well as create more needed long-term employment. (Translation ends)

The goal of the Hunter Support Program is to assist hunters in maintaining a traditional hunting lifestyle. However, I have a deep concern about the program fully achieving this.

Mr. Speaker, in its current form, the Hunter Support Program is expensive to initiate and deliver and it benefits only a handful of people.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Aivilik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? Ms. Thompson, you have unanimous consent.

Manitok Thompson Aivilik

There has also been little or no followup on the past recipients by NTI to evaluate if the equipment purchased under this program is still being used to assist hunters in maintaining a traditional hunting lifestyle. My constituents have reported that the cost of upkeep for snowmobiles and ATVs is beyond what most of the unemployed recipients of the Hunter Support Program can afford. In many cases, if parts cannot be found or purchased, then these new machines will sit unused, be sold or gambled off. Furthermore, some equipment is not even used for hunting purposes. Mr. Speaker, the current guidelines and implementation methods of the Hunter Support Programs leave NTI with little position to regulate this. This is a wasteful use of valuable resource, which should be managed better.

Mr. Speaker, there does not appear to be any set guidelines that effectively combine the flexibility required to meet the individual needs of each community as well as ensure the integrity of the program to maintain and free of being manipulated and abused.

Mr. Speaker, an effective communication and monitoring process must be established between NTI and the communities. NTI is not actively involved in ensuring the goals of the program are being achieved and that the community allocations are being dispersed fairly, economically and to greatest benefit of each community. As a result, the implementation of this program widely varies from community to community. Mr. Speaker, is it not in the mission statement of NTI, and I quote, "to ensure the greatest possible long-term benefit to Inuit from the agreement in a way which reflects Inuit goals, social, cultural needs and tradition within Canadian society."

Mr. Speaker, I do not believe the Hunter Support Program meets this objective. It has not been developed and implemented to its fullest potential to meet our cultural and traditional needs. The promise of greatest long-term benefits to Inuit will be demonstrated when the funding for this program is managed and spent in a prudent and effective manner.

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I commend the hamlet of Coral Harbour for voicing its concern about NTI's management of this program. Nunavut is not far away, and now is the time for the beneficiaries to begin questioning the effectiveness of NTI's program and financial management.

Mr. Speaker, I am relieved to hear that the Hunter Support Program is under review. I also urge NTI to re-evaluate all programs to ensure they fully meet the expectations of and the accountability to the Nunavut land claim beneficiaries. (Translation ends)

That Inuit have an opportunity to take part in this evaluation, because these are the programs that are meant to provide for and serve the interests of all Nunavut beneficiaries. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien.

Member's Statement 359-13(5): Treatment Of Elders
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, most of the Members in this House would agree that as a group we have implemented many important policies and established a new direction.

In the case of Nunavut, we have followed a model, the model Footprints 2, which will erect a solid foundation and a platform for the future new government.

Mr. Speaker, we have listened to reports of special committees, asked questions, passed bills, ensured the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed. In the meantime, however, I believe it has been far too easy to lose sight of those who should have been upmost in our thoughts, those being the elders in our communities.

As a government, we have to ask ourselves if we have failed our elders. Speaking for myself, Mr. Speaker, I am of the opinion that as long as elder abuse continues to exist in any northern community, we have failed our elders as a government.

When our elders have no choice but to live in over-crowded dwellings, I think we have to ask ourselves as a government, is this fair?

Have we taken the time, have we explored the problems or have we studied the kind of programs that would allow this government to ensure the comfort and welfare of our elders?

Unfortunately, it seems the elders in our society often slip into the shadows of our awareness, when more urgent and better publicized matters seize our attention. It is easy to forget, Mr. Speaker, the hardships our elders endured, the amazing skills they demonstrated just to survive this harsh climate that we now leave outside our homes and workplace.

Mr. Speaker, those very same elders dreamed of some day having their own government, of being able to grow old in comfort, having the right to live in safe surroundings and being treated with dignity and respect.

I would like to applaud the decision cited in Footprints 2, whereby the Government of Nunavut has chosen to observe the rights and privileges of elders by pledging a department for that purpose.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Culture, Language, Elders and Youth has been designated as one way the Nunavut government will be dedicated to bringing this dream into a reality in making sure that our elders are properly remembered and treated with respect, the respect that they rightfully deserve.

Thank you.

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Member's Statement 359-13(5): Treatment Of Elders
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to thank the Premier and his constituents of Lutselk'e for their generosity and hospitality given to members of my home community. Over the past couple of weeks members from Rae-Edzo travelled by snowmobile to hunt for traditional food, the caribou.

During their stay in Lutselk'e, they had a very successful hunt and also played hand games until the wee hours of the mornings.

It is always good to see our groups visiting each other. Friendships were made and re-established. Common goals were discussed, ideas exchanged and most importantly, communication was strengthened. We all have common goals and ideas to exchange. It is always important to visit and discuss matters with our neighbours.

In closing today, our last day of sitting, I would like to wish everybody in the Northwest Territories and Members of this House an early happy Easter holidays and pleasant journeys.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, when we completed the last budget of this government before division, many of the Members reflected on the time spent here debating, passing motions and making statements since November, 1995.

In a little more than a year, division will occur. Many challenges lay ahead over the next 12 months. We have to work hard to ensure a smooth transition for the two new governments. Over the next few months, the Nunavut Act Amendments will be introduced in the House of Commons in Ottawa.

The gross expenditure base for the budget allocated by the federal government for both Nunavut and the new Western Territory will be made known. In Nunavut, the new deputy ministers will implement the departmental government infrastructure as outlined in Footprints 2, will be set up for a new Nunavut government.

Division will be the major focus over the next 12 months. Areas like the Power Corporation, the Workers' Compensation Board and division of assets and liabilities will need to be addressed.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to the challenges over the next 12 months. I also look forward to going home to Iqaluit tomorrow, to see my wife and my three children, meeting with my friends and constituents. I also look forward to Friday, when I have the opportunity to entertain our friend, Mr. John Todd, the Finance Minister for this government in Iqaluit.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.