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Edward Picco Iqaluit

I move that this Committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs assume a more significant role in the hiring process of senior administrative officers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not agree with this motion. We keep talking about community empowerment and this particular motion states that MACA assumes a more significant role in the selection of senior administrative officers. I feel that if the communities want to ask for assistance in the hiring of senior administrative officers then that would be up to the community. To give the authority to the department to take a role in the selection of senior administrative officers for the communities, certainly if I was a councillor on one of the community councils, I would be possibly taken back a bit by this possibility. I do not think it goes with the theme of community empowerment. We have to ensure that the communities take responsibility and I think this is a regressive step not a progressive step. Let us make them responsible. From what I have seen from the report and the recommendations that have been made and that are forthcoming, I think that you will find that we are reinforcing the structure of communities to report financially. We are reinforcing the methodology by which administrative officers are to be hired and so forth. My opinion would be that I do not feel that this is in the best interest of the communities and the council members, and the mayors of those communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be voting against this particular motion.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you for that observation. To the motion. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Just to clarify, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate Mr. Ootes comments. The committee, after reviewing the Auditor General's Report, and I know that Mr. Ootes has had an opportunity to read it because it has been tabled in the House, points out many of the concerns for the communities under the Auditor General's report dealt with the SAOs, retention of the SAOs and the qualifications of the SAOs. The recommendation is that if the government of the day is handing over money to the hamlets and municipalities, then we should help them make sure that they have qualified staff to do that with. There were instances in the Auditor General's report where that was not the case. It is not a paternalistic or patronistic motion and I would ask that the committee support the motion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The Chair recognizes Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The difficulty that I have with this is that it is a fairly definitive statement that MACA assume a more significant role in the selection of administrative officers. If you get a zealot in the department saying this is a recommendation, this is what is going through. Therefore, every community has to have the input of MACA to select their senior administrative officer, if that officer decides to do so, by this motion. I do not agree with it. I think that it passes on to a community a statement that says the department will participate in the selection of your administrative officer.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? The motion is carried. Continue Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Committee Motion 5. I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs establish minimum guidelines for the hiring of senior administrative officers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Motion No. 6. I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs draw up a detailed standardized job description for senior administration officers for provision to municipal hiring boards for their reference. The description should describe operational guidelines and basic qualifications. This job description should also be made available to potential senior administrative officers for review. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Motion No. 7. I move that this committee on the advice of the Office of the Auditor General recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs require the completion of cultural awareness programs for senior administrative officers recruited from outside the municipality and particularly those hired from outside the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. Picco, do you have further motions for the committee to consider? Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we do have some more motions coming forward. At this time I would like to call on my colleague and the vice-chairman of the Standing Committee on Infrastructure, Mr. Henry, to continue the report on page 6, the Review of the Report of the Auditor

General on the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will continue on with the report.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is mandated by municipal legislation to conduct annual municipal inspections. Section 189 of both the Cities, Towns and Villages Act and the Hamlets Act requires that every municipal corporation must at least once a year and at any other time that the Minister may require, have its records, books and accounts examined; management and administration reviewed and financial affairs examined by a municipal inspector.

With greater municipal empowerment anticipated, the department needs to know on a regular basis how well municipalities are doing, not just financially, but administratively as well. Effective monitoring and evaluation form the basis for accountability in the use of development resources. The resulting increased transparency may improve the management and implementation of current and future municipal responsibilities.

In the committee's review, there is a need for closer attention to the accurate monitoring and evaluation of municipal management information, both to support the ongoing implementation of municipality objectives and to feed back into the design of new initiatives. More detailed regular municipal inspections will result in a reliable flow of information to the department and to the municipalities, enabling the participants to keep accurate track of progress and adjust operations based on experience.

The standing committee emphasizes the need for comprehensive guidelines and qualified inspection staff to accurately evaluate municipal responsibilities and perform on a regular, preferably annual, basis.

The department informed the committee that inspections are carried out according to the needs identified by the department; community operations are becoming increasingly more difficult to monitor; and more commitment is needed by the municipal councils to get feedback from the department. The department also monitors value-added programs and services in addition to the fiscal bottom line.

The committee notes that some of the department's concerns may be due to a shortage of qualified staff and resources, as well as the interplay of political influences in some municipalities.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, I would like to move Motion No. 8. I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs adopt a risk-based approach to municipal inspections. This approach should focus the inspection process on responsibilities and programs that have a greater risk of adverse financial or administrative consequences.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Before I rule the motion, I would like to remind my honourable Members to respect other Members who have the recognition of the Chair. Thank you.

--Applause

The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Continue Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Motion No. 9. I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs ensure that regular and mandatory municipal inspections are integrated with personal visits and that guidelines are implemented to effectively monitor and evaluate municipalities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With your indulgence, I will pass the conclusion of the report on to Mr. Barnabas for reading. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Committee Review of the Report of the Auditor General on the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, section 4, Capital Allocation Process.

Careful analysis of the costs and benefits of the existing Capital Allocation Process is key to informed and responsive needs management. It is vital that the relevance and cost of proposed capital projects to the GNWT and the municipality are accurately assessed. It is equally important that the evaluation and allocation process is independent of the bureaucracy that has access to it.

Although movement toward a more efficient allocation process will hopefully be underway, committee Members stress the severe resource constraints and the public demands for greater accountability in the allocation process. However, the committee observes that there may be a lack of commitment to a more responsive and accountable Capital Allocation Process at the bureaucratic level. In the committee's view, a culture of effective responsiveness and accountability is not in place.

Part of the dissatisfaction stems from the poor timing of the call letter from the Premier's office for revisions to the capital plan. By the time the letter is received and replied to, there is not enough time to affect the recommended revisions. With the short construction season and limited transportation infrastructure, it becomes impossible to procure and transport material to the municipality. In many communities, barging is the only economically viable means of transporting cargo. Cargo must be prebooked, has a limited travel schedule and is operated only in late spring and summer.

In the committee's review, there has not been enough attention to the quality and timeliness of information and the need for objectivity and independence in the implementation of the Capital Allocation Process. At times, the political component dominates. The process needs to better serve the municipalities' requirements.

At this time, Mr. Chairman, I have a motion.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Please proceed with the motion.