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The Chair David Krutko

I will call the committee to order. At this time I would like to ask the Minister if he will be bringing in any witnesses?

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I would like to bring in witnesses. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Sergeant-at-Arms, could you escort the witnesses in?

Mr. Minister, could you please introduce your witnesses for the record?

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

On my right is Mr. Mark Cleveland deputy minister for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. On my left is Mr. Paul Devitt director of management services. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

We were on page 9-17, Education, Culture and Employment. Education and Culture operation expense. Total operation expense $105,737,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair David Krutko

Page 9-19 education, culture grants and contributions, grants, $52,000. Agreed? Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the area of aboriginal languages and grants and contributions for aboriginal language and heritage and culture, on page 9-18 under operations expense, aboriginal languages is budgeted for $5,591,000. On page 9-19, under grants and contributions, a total of $505,000. That, plus the agreement between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the federal government for languages, another $1.9 million, for a total of $6.4 million. I would like to ask the Minister for a break down of how those dollars are spent and where the dollars are going. I realize it is a lot to ask, so I do not expect the Minister to answer me in detail, maybe just in general. I would like a written copy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The Minister responsible for Education, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dealing with the aboriginal languages of $5,591,000, that is for schools and its contribution for a teaching and learning centre, culture and language programs and translation and interpreter services. The second part of it is for classroom assistance and language specialists, and that would be a contribution for classroom assistance, language specialists calculated on aboriginal students K-12. It is provided through the district education councils and district education authorities to the various school boards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you. I would like to know the success rate of these funds, especially the ones that are going into the schools from K-12. The fact is $5 million is quite a bit of dollars, and it should help in improving the ability of our aboriginal students in learning and enhancing their aboriginal language skills. I know there are language communities working right now on developing a strategy to enhance and revive our languages in the communities. I would suggest that it is a full-time position, a full-time job to do that. Our languages are deteriorating at such a quick rate that we need to battle head on to have any success.

In consultation with these language communities, I would encourage the department to secure funding to hire full-time language coordinators in each aboriginal community. The dollars that are allocated to the language communities are based on aboriginal population. A lot of the communities in the Northwest Territories have a large Metis contingency, and they are not recognized as aboriginal people that speak their languages. I would suggest there are a lot of Metis people out there that are bilingual. A lot of their relatives and children would like to be bilingual also. I think that should be recognized, and it should be accounted for in the funding policy or funding agreements that the department enters into at the language community. I would strongly suggest that.

I wonder if I could get a commitment from the Minister at this time to work with the language communities and see if there is a need, I do believe there is a need for full-time language coordinators, and that he secure funding for those positions for the long term, not a six month project or a five month project or a one year project. This is not a problem that could be tackled in spurts. It has to be a comprehensive and sustained effort on behalf of all involved, especially the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

Further to that, to enhance the cultural awareness and history of the communities and regions and people of the Northwest Territories, the original peoples, I believe there is a need to really tackle the issue that people in the communities are despaired because there is a lack of information about the history. They do not know too much about the history. The elders in our communities, their numbers are getting lower, and with that we are losing a lot of tradition.

I believe we need cultural centres in every community that depict the history of the community, the history of the people with photographs, with written literature. This will help revive and sustain the heritage and cultures of northern aboriginal people and the languages. I wonder if I could get the Minister's thoughts on that, and possibly a commitment in working towards achieving that initiative. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Member's suggestion of a full-time aboriginal language coordinator in the community is a good idea. I should background this somewhat as to what we do now, and the process that we feel obligated to work under so that there is some understanding of the process we are using.

At the moment, the schools have classroom assistants and language specialists whose responsibilities are to address the whole issue of languages within the school. That is a resource that is available for the children in the school. I do not know whether that can be expanded beyond that, because I am not sure of what the regulations are with regard to unions and so forth.

The other part of this is the funding to the aboriginal language communities. We feel that the language communities are the lead in their particular areas with respect to addressing and developing a plan for language revitalization. They are doing that as we speak. In that, there is a possibility for them to identify such things as a language specialist in a community to work in communities, or for several communities, whatever it is.

The restriction we have today is the resource availability. Because we have already allocated our funding to that, we either do it to the schools or we do it to the aboriginal language communities. So we would have to address that in a different way in order to find the resources. There is certainly, as I am well aware in some of the regions, the loss of languages that is there and the need to address the revitalization.

The cultural awareness is another area that I think Mr. Nitah was very concerned about. We do provide some funding through the Cultural Dene Institute. Again, we are somewhat restricted. We tried to be fair across the board on our funding. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

I would like to thank the Minister for leaving me a few seconds to add on to my thoughts and questions. Thank you, Mr. Minister.

I agree that the approach is through the school system. I think we need to address that. It is at a fundamental level. All studies point to the home for language revival. I understand the history of the Northwest Territories with the residential schools. Written language, there are a lot of adults and young adults that do not have those skills.

It is great that the students learn the language at school, but if they do not practice it at home with their parents, it defeats the purpose. I think we need to address the issue head on, the two-prong issue or three-prong issue. We not only have to deal with the students in the schools, but we have to deal with their parents so that they are compatible when they are using the language in the homes.

To that end, I think we need to address the problem at the community level, not only at the school level. I think we have to find the dollars, $6.4 million is quite a lot of dollars for approximately, I would say, 10,000 people that want to learn language.

If you take half the population of the Northwest Territories, which is about 20,000, you take away the people that are already speaking the language, then $6.4 million is quite a bit of dollars for that many people. I think you should be able to find resources that are needed that you say there is a lack of, and be innovative. We are talking partnerships all the time. The federal government has programs and services in this area, as well, and if you work with the language communities and the federal government, I am sure you could find the resources to do that.

I would strongly encourage you to follow up on that with all parties involved. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The need for involvement of family is critical. We recognize that. The component is not just that the answer lies within the school system. The answer lies in a varied number of areas. One being early childhood programs, aboriginal, for example and family literacy programs. We talked earlier about that.

We do feel that we have the right approach by putting it back at the community level through the community language program and funding community language. They are the people that have the ability and the knowledge to address it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah, one more question, then I will recognize Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

In regard to the residential school system, that was a very devastating impact on the aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories. It ruined the language, which kind of took away from the culture. There is a sense of disparity in the communities. I would suggest that sense of disparity, the lack of knowledge about the history, leads to individuals' disparity and their spirit is down.

In any society, when the spirit is broken, there are problems associated with that. I believe our education and graduation levels, high percentage of alcohol use, smoking, health problems, all come from this lack of history and lack of spirit about their history and about themselves.

To that end, I think, there needs to be a big push in the aboriginal community and with this government, to establish cultural centres that would depict, as I said earlier, the history of the people, the culture, and try to revive that broken spirit.

I think that leads to a lot of negative impact on the individuals in our communities and as a society in the Northwest Territories. I think this department, in cooperation and in partnership with all other departments of this government, should look at working with each First Nation community and identifying the resources to establish cultural centres.

It could be used for tourism as well. We always say tourism is important for communities, but people do not like to go to communities just for the sake of going to communities. If we have centres such as this, they will be able to go some place and say, "Oh, this is the history of the community. This is the history of the people." You could have a website that you could share with the rest of the world, not only with each other.

I believe that if I could get the Minister's thoughts on that. Is he willing to work with the other departments along with the aboriginal communities in establishing cultural centres, which deals with heritage, culture, language and tourism and information centres? I would appreciate that, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like the Member, I am well aware of the importance of culture. It is a tremendous contributor to the territory, to people. Unfortunately, we are lagging in that area as well. We are not able to address the many needs that are out there and it is, again, our funding base for cultural grants and contributions is $2.6 million, which is allocated to various areas. The total budget, sorry, for culture and heritage is $2.6 million, it covers a number of areas.

I do not disagree at all with the Member's comments in this area. Hopefully, down the road, we can address this in terms of trying to find more funding. We will certainly work with, as the Member has requested, various organizations, aboriginal groups and other government departments to continue to identify where we can support culture and heritage.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. General comments. Mr. Nitah, I will come back to you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a follow up question in regard to the issue I raised yesterday, in terms of the language funding and the formula used to allocate it. Based on the number of registered Indians and registered Inuvialuit, it leaves out a significant component of the aboriginal population, which are the Metis people.

The Minister indicated, on page 588, that he would get an answer back to me by today.

I was wondering if the Minister had any information that could speak to that issue on how they are going to accommodate the Metis people?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Ootes.