This is page numbers 295 - 364 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would be interested in seeing the differences, because I did pursue it to a certain degree in the previous Assembly, and actually requested the Minister bring some harmonization between tax-based and non-tax-based communities. There is a big difference there. Some of that is taken into levies in a community. Non-tax-based communities have grown quite large in some areas and they would rather not switch to a tax-based community because they seem to lose some of the funding transfers that happen, and as well do not have to actually do their own taxes and service notice to their own constituents, in that sense. I am interested in seeing the difference there because in the previous Assembly, I heard numbers of $250 a year for some taxes in non-tax-based municipalities. I can compare it to my own community. I cannot compare it to other communities like Fort Smith or Norman Wells.

I believe there needs to be some shifting here on both sides. At the same time, I understand there is a different level of service that plays a part in that. That is acceptable. Even if it is in the region, maybe some other regions compared to one another. I know a piece of land in Yellowknife can go for $70,000, but in Inuvik when they did the new sub-division, they were selling a lot that was unfilled. The larger lots were up in the $60,000 range. Then you had to fill the thing, because if you did not, you would sink. That was very expensive. Before you can even put a house down, you have paid someone else another $10,000 or $20,000 just to fill the thing because of the permafrost.

Those kinds of cost come into it. It all impacts. The more you put into it, the more your taxes go up and you are penalized because of the jurisdiction you live in. That is the sort of comparison I was looking for in costs to an individual when it came to paying the actual tax. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Actually, we are working with the Department of Finance at the present time. Hopefully, we will have that completed by the fall as well.

I can say that, and I have not looked at all the communities, but I did look at some of the ones along the Ingraham Trail. They do not have the same services, but in some cases they were as low as $150. I think the highest I saw out there, and there are a few nice homes out there, was in the range of $600 or $700. That does not mean that would be the same wherever municipal service is provided. We can get that information for you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know if this question has been asked already, but before you go into a community and do assessments, do you consult the community leaders? The chief and council, the mayor and council, do you consult them and get their support? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am told that when the assessment was done, the municipal leaders were informed, but were not consulted. Notices were sent out. I understand this assessment was done in 1998-99, so it was a couple of years ago.

It was mailed out in March to all of the homeowners and property owners. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Has there been any reaction from the community leaders? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, there have been a number of complaints. The way we read the reaction was there were quite a number of complaints that have gone to the Board of Revision. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would you surmise that there is no support for this initiative? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are people who are concerned with the increase in their property value. They are worried their taxes will also increase. As I said earlier, I am told that whenever the property assessment goes up, the level of taxes they pay...they are trying to make it as comparable as possible. Hopefully, the taxes do not drastically change that much.

The number of appeals that are before the Board of Revision by communities, in some communities, the number of appeals is very high. There are no appeals in some communities. I am told that there is about 3,100 properties that were assessed. There are 395 appeals pending. Perhaps some people do not regard this as a concern, but maybe some people ignore...I do not know if there is a place they could go to appeal a concern, but there is a Board of Revision that is going to be reviewing concerns that come forward. Maybe in that you could say there is not that much support for the increase in the property assessment. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When I was referring to support, I was referring to the community leaders. I cannot see the chief and council agreeing to a one organization community. Take Lutselk'e, for example, agreeing that Municipal and Community Affairs comes in and does an assessment on the property and raising the value of the property and taxing them accordingly. We have already heard from other Members that they may try to compare the property assessment to that of the tax, but that is not happening. I am just wondering if there has been a reaction from the chiefs and councils and mayors and councils. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The only official complaints we have heard are from Fort Providence and Enterprise. We have not heard anything official from any other chiefs or councils or municipal leaders. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Were all 33 communities in the Northwest Territories assessed?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, all of the communities were assessed. As well, some properties outside of communities such as the Ingraham Trail and outside of the municipalities where there is Commissioner's land leased, those were all assessed. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it is obvious there is no consultation with the communities. For what purpose was this done? To what end, since the property is not owned by the individuals who are living in the house? It just makes it harder for them to sell when they want to sell. It is a burden on them having to pay the taxes. What is the purpose? Thank you.