This is page numbers 295 - 364 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The timelines really depend a lot on the situation. There may be some communities where it may take a year or more because they cannot just stop all the services right then and there to solve a problem they may be having. We work with them to develop a recovery plan and a budget debate still provides the basic services, but allows them to start recouping their financial position back to being solved.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wanted to raise the issue of property tax as I see a line for grants and property taxes regarding the elderly and disabled home owners, and also to provide property tax forgiveness. In some of the communities in the Deh Cho, and I am told by Mr. Nitah there are also communities in the Akaitcho territory that are experiencing a lot of problems with the issue of property tax. Both these regions are in negotiations over the question of land. That may be some time yet as to coming down to a decision as to who really owns the land.

In the case of Fort Providence, I know there are upwards of 15 people who are refusing to pay property taxes. It is becoming quite an issue in that community. The chiefs brought it to my attention. I believe he has also brought it to the Minister's attention. They are asking for a deferral on property taxes until such time that the issue of land ownership is decided. I would like to ask the Minister if he can give us an update on this issue, if he had done anything in this area.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we recognize there is a concern there by many aboriginal people who are living mainly on Commissioner's land in the communities and have been assessed to pay tax based upon the assessed value of the land. People who live on IAB land, we call them lands reserved for Treaty Indians, they do not pay property taxes. While those who live on other lands, such as Commissioner's lands, are required to pay taxes because of our legislation. This legislation is the general taxation area.

I am going to be working with the Minister of Finance, who sets the tax rates, to try to develop some options which allow for trying to resolve this. Hopefully, we will have some proposals ready by the fall. We need time to look at it, and see what options are there.

The problem here is that this is our legislation that was put in place quite some time ago, and we in the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, the lands area, put an assessment on the property. The other department put a value on it and tries to collect the taxes. So there are two departments that we are dealing with. We will be working with the Department of Finance to try to come out with something by the fall. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

I think this whole issue of taxes requires immediate attention. Several of the chiefs have instructed their members not to pay the taxes. I could see a lot of people through the housing program be evicted. I think it is something that blew up in our faces. Under this heading of grants, it states here to provide for property tax forgiveness. I would like to know who qualifies for this?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, Thank you. In this activity, senior citizens and disabled persons. That is what this program is for. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a couple of questions for clarification purposes in the area of community financial services. Proper skills and training are critical to the success of the community government. I would like the Minister, if he can just elaborate on whether there is a common financial system that hamlets and communities use so there is a standardized approach for accountability, bookkeeping, financial statements and such. Are the respective financial officers in the communities given some assistance and training when they come on board to make sure they are up to speed? Once they are on board, is there some sort of upgrading to keep them current? Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Antoine

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my understanding of this area is that it is up to the municipal governments and administration to provide their own financial administration. We encourage some common approaches. I think Accpac is a very common one. However, to get more detailed information, if the deputy minister could take over from here and give more detailed information here. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of financial accounting, there are set policies for accounting guidelines, which both communities as well as government have to follow, in terms of reporting, in terms of auditing, and setting a level of bookkeeping. We encourage the use of Accpac, especially in the small to medium communities, because it is a system that is fairly standard and fairly easily learned. It is used also by many of the housing associations that also function in the communities, so there could be a lot of cross-training and development.

In terms of the training aspect, we are quite willing and go in quite often to orient new finance staff in their jobs in the communities. We encourage the larger communities in the region to assist some of the smaller ones, as well. Through our School of Community Government, we are working with the federal government, which is interested in financial training for their band staff in the communities. We are interested in the point of view of training municipal finance staff, and the Housing Corporation is doing the same with their financial people. We are working together on a common training plan and approach so we can go into the communities and train people to be basic financial accounting personnel.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister indicate what systems are available or what systems are in place between the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and the communities for ongoing support on the financial side? Are there a variance of reports, some sort of quarterly financial statements provided so that there is an ability to get up to speed so that no community gets into trouble if there is a problem, and that support is there when it is needed? Is that kind of mentoring tied into the service, so that communities are helped to stay on the financial rails without interfering, but providing them support and assistance to make sure they do not get too far off base when trouble does happen? Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department provides assistance to the municipalities. There is assistance in the financial arrangements. It all depends on the community. Some communities need more help than others in some cases. In some cases, they may be required to have monthly financial statements. Other communities that are better positioned and have better financial administration are on a quarterly basis. They do a report. That is my understanding of how the reporting is done. To reply to the honourable Member's question more specifically, I will defer to the deputy minister.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps the one comment that I would like to add, in many communities we do receive reports, but sometimes they are very complex to put together. What we are trying to do is to come up with a simpler system for the communities. It is going to look at key indicators, such as cash balances, accounts payable balances, making sure they have enough funding coming in to meet their obligations, payrolls. We want to find five or six key indicators that perhaps do not put as much burden on the community, as opposed to having to close all their books and send us trial balances and those types of statements every month.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have one question in this area. I am wondering about the type of training materials you are using in the communities to help financial managers or administrators pick up some of these things and get some of the training they need. You mentioned you are sort of doing this under the community school of government. In a lot of areas, things fit in here. I have been told that some programs were developed. One program in particular, about general financial practices at the community level, provides information on roles and responsibilities and skill sets of a financial manager. Topics include roles of the financial manager, financial concepts, internal control, cash management, tax administration, other government reporting, things like this. I understand that the programs are being well received. I am wondering if you can talk specifically about the program for financial practices.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

We have a number of manuals that we have been putting together. Some are more up to date than others. This particular one that we are working on is dealing with guidelines to assist the communities with their financial management. I do not have the manual here to go through in detail. I would be pleased to get a copy for the Member himself, but it speaks to broad accountability as well as trying to give the basic tools to do their jobs on an ongoing basis.