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Committee Motion 16-14(5): Recommendation To Track Student Debt Load (carried)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, as I mentioned on the Effective Behavioural Support Program, we have and are continuing with our process to train teachers on how to deal with classroom disruptions and classroom problems and additionally, to provide the resources for teachers in that area. Extensive work is gearing up in that whole area, Mr. Chairman, to ensure that our classrooms become better controlled by teachers.

The funding of student support we are increasing from what we started our term here in this House with, which was an 8 percent level of funding for student support. This year with this budget, we are going to 15 percent, so it has almost doubled in terms of providing support in the classroom to help deal with individuals who need help.

The best way I can approach the Effective Behavioural Support Program is through the Positive Reinforcement Program. Social behaviour that is not acceptable is discouraged. Students learn from each other that way and there has been proven success with this particular program, Mr. Chairman.

As I said, in the classroom itself, we are providing a lot more support for students who may have disabilities or challenges. It may be FAS or FAE and so forth. Additionally, on parental support, we are looking more and more to methodologies to involve parents and ensure that students get the support at home.

Committee Motion 16-14(5): Recommendation To Track Student Debt Load (carried)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I look forward to seeing the results of the new plan, the department's plan to implement and deal with some of the issues I raised.

I am somewhat concerned with one area of response the Minister provided to us. When we reference FAS/FAE, I do not like the answer that maybe it is because of this. Identifying the problem is the first step to fixing the problem. FAS/FAE is a major problem. If it is going to affect other students who do not suffer from those symptoms, then we should do something about that interruption and how it affects other students. Is there a method of identifying students with FAS/FAE today? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are working with Health and Social Services on this whole matter of FAS/FAE. Through the Early Childhood Development Program, we have developed some plans to look at testing and so forth. The Nipissing tool is being used by Health and Social Services in that end.

From our own side, Mr. Chairman, teachers cannot diagnose because it is a medical diagnosis that needs to take place. What the process that is used is, if there is an indication that we need to do testing, then the teacher or school will contact the parents and permission needs to be sought to do testing in this whole area. We have a process to follow in the event that someone should be diagnosed. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think that is a great idea. I think we should do more testing of our students in our schools in the Northwest Territories, recognizing that FAS/FAE is a major problem. I think we have to give all the resources we can to our teachers so they can do their jobs effectively. If they do not know the students have FAS/FAE, they cannot really explain why they react the way they do in schools.

Having said that, Mr. Chairman, I would like to get back to my earlier question about funding for schools and if it was enough funding, in the opinion of the Minister. I think he is confused in my analogy that I used in how schools are taking money from aboriginal languages to supplement other programs they are delivering. I was not referring to aboriginal languages. I was referring to the shortage of funding. It seems there is a shortage of funding and we have to dip into pots of money to deliver funding in other areas.

I ask again, is the funding that we are providing for our schools in the Northwest Territories sufficient? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there is always a possibility for us to identify areas that could use more funding. There is no question about that. The concern, of course, is the allocation of the resources that we have. It does boil down to that, Mr. Chairman, of saying that we have enough resources, and what resources do we have that we can put into this. The allocation is a very important element. Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Well, I guess, as is always the case here, you have a piece of pie and you have to decide how many pieces you are going to cut up. I would argue, as I said in the House, that education is the silver bullet to many of the problems that we face in the Territories. I think it is incumbent on this government that we address our social ills at the beginning of life and our education process.

I would like to encourage the Minister to review funding levels for schools on a regular basis, if his department is not doing it already. Actually, I will ask that question, Mr. Chairman. How often does the department review funding allocations to schools in the Territories? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we work in partnerships with our DECs and DEAs and we want to ensure that the funding process is correct and that we get feedback from the school systems. The DECs are made up of district education authorities, so it is almost a ground up system, Mr. Chairman.

We have a school planning and resource committee that addresses this issue on a consistent basis, Mr. Chairman. That committee is made up of representatives from the school districts and includes Health and Social Services interestingly enough as well. Mr. Chairman, thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to request some information from the department, specifically dealing with my communities of Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e. How much money are those schools getting in block funding and other additional financial resources that are going in there for programs and services?

I would like to also know, Mr. Chairman, a breakdown of financial resources from the department going to the actual education part of the responsibility and how much of that budget is going to administration costs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will have to get the information for the Member. I do not have that here at the moment, Mr. Chairman, if that is okay with the Member.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. We are on education and culture, page 9-19, grants and contributions, grants, $52,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Page 9-20, education and culture, grants and contributions, $106,983,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Page 9-21, education and culture, grants and contributions, grants, total grants, $107,035,000. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask a few questions to the Minister under this section. It is in regard to PTR versus class size. Mr. Chairman, I think that we have heard a lot of back and forth about the difference between class size and PTR. I acknowledge that this government has gone a long way in funding extra money for our schools. The bottom line that I hear from the parents and what I see when I go to the local schools, and I have attended PAG meetings and so on, the efforts we are making here and the extra money we are approving is not showing at the local level.

I have correspondence that the Minister has sent to the PAG groups in the city, explaining the fine details between PTR and class size. However, I really think we have to do something about this situation where the extra money we are putting in does not seem to show in classes. Our classes continue to be way too big. For example, at Range Lake North School, there are too many kids in the classes. They are sitting wall to wall. They have to organize an escape plan in some classes to make sure it is not unsafe.

Other than the routine answer about the difference between class size and PTR, what can we do? What can we do other than saying it is up to the local boards? Is there anything we can do?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Minister Ootes.