This is page numbers 1353 - 1386 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was going.

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New Airstrip Construction In Trout Lake
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

I realize this is the preliminary consultation period involving several components and stakeholders, and that other consultations, meetings will be scheduled in the community this spring.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the Minister will keep me updated and will inform me of any potential problems through the developmental stage of this project. I support the much-needed airstrip in Trout Lake and would like to see it go through successfully. This is important to the community of Trout Lake and a long time coming.

Once again, Mr. Speaker, congratulations to the Minister and his officials on listening to the needs of the communities. I would like to encourage the Minister to do all he can to ensure the community of Trout Lake can take flight safely. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

New Airstrip Construction In Trout Lake
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Bathurst Caribou Management Plan
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would like to take this opportunity to comment on the Bathurst Caribou Management Plan, tabled in the House this week. Mr. Speaker, my riding of Range Lake is most noticeable as the home of national chain stores like Wal-Mart and Canadian Tire. But what many may not know is that it is also home to many avid hunters, both aboriginal and non-aboriginal. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I have to tell you, I was quite surprised at how often the issues of rights and privileges of game hunting came up during my door-to-door campaign. This is an intense passion for many of them, not just for recreation but for subsistence.

Many of my constituents love living in the North because they can hunt, and many of them love to hunt because they live in the North. My experiences have shown also, Mr. Speaker, that avid hunters have very strong respect for wildlife and they are very much committed to conservation of wildlife, whether they are aboriginal or non-aboriginal.

In light of the recommendations made in this plan, I believe it is incumbent on the government to bring all of the expertise and players together to work out a way to conserve wildlife for the benefit of all.

Mr. Speaker, this plan speaks to the importance of conservation, as well as how to avoid reducing or eliminating the quota for anyone. I would like to remind the government that the implementation of the recommendations of this plan has to include all stakeholders and consultation with all stakeholders, if the plan is to be accepted and to be ultimately successful for the benefit of everyone.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to take this opportunity to remind the government of the lack of movement the government has shown in introducing the new wildlife legislation, which has been in the books, in the works, and has been in the consultation process for at least a decade. This legislation is supposed to address the issue of hunting rights and privileges, as well as conservation and management. At the appropriate time I will be asking the government as to where they are with that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bathurst Caribou Management Plan
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners Implementation Plan
Item 3: Members' Statements

February 17th, 2005

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a minute I will be talking about the NWT Council of Sport and Recreation Partners' implementation plan, but first I just wanted to congratulate the Minister, his department and all their partners in putting together the first ever NWT Games program in Fort Smith for March 18th to 21st. Having a sport event just for the NWT has been a goal of the sport community for a long time.

Mr. Speaker, the last time we were here I spoke a little about my support for the NWT Council of Sport and Recreation Partners and I just want to say a little bit more on this topic. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has been working for years, in consultation with their stakeholders in sport and recreation, to find ways to improve the system. All communities and partners wanted an opportunity to participate in planning and decision-making for this system. There needed to be improved coordination and a simplified quorum for decision-making. Also, all communities wanted greater access to sport and recreation programs and more resources with which to accomplish all of this.

Mr. Speaker, according to the implementation plan in 2005, the council will be working on a resource management plan which includes support for the lottery in order to maximize revenue flow, streamlining administrative expenses, and creating volunteer and staff support initiatives. The council will be working on a communication and marketing plan, a plan to consolidate partner's offices and a plan to establish system-wide priorities and operating principles. The council will provide periodic updates to their sport partners to keep them informed of the council's progress.

In January 2006, the Minister will make a final decision on council's budget request and in April 2006, the council will begin their first year of operation under a new fiscal arrangement.

Mr. Speaker, the council will have a lot of work to do in a very short time. Nominations close for the new council on March 7, 2005. I wish them well with their objectives. Mahsi.

---Applause

NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners Implementation Plan
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Villeneuve.

Media Reporting Of Proposed Changes To Lutselk'e Leadership
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to inform and to set the record straight with my constituents of Lutselk'e, on the latest media reports over the radio with regard to an interview I had about the proposed changes to the Lutselk'e First Nations leadership, which is underway and hopefully will be resolved next week when the band elections take place.

Mr. Speaker, I could stand here for the next two-and-a-half minutes and criticize the local media for their misuse of information and sensationalizing issues, that often result in the obstruction and deterioration of this government's efforts for stronger community-government relations, better co-management regimes, and better working relationships that we, as MLAs, work hard to improve and build on daily.

Media Reporting Of Proposed Changes To Lutselk'e Leadership
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

Media Reporting Of Proposed Changes To Lutselk'e Leadership
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

But I won't, Mr. Speaker. Instead...

---Laughter

...I would like to inform my constituents that, no where in my statements to the media about the removal of the chief and council, did I say the word "glad." I did not mention anybody's name, and I definitely did not say anything about being happy with the upcoming changes in the leadership.

Mr. Speaker, I am not happy about the sudden changes to this leadership. For this past year I had the wonderful opportunity to work closely with the chief and council and I thought they were doing a really good job. They were working diligently and were relentless in forging better communication and cooperation practices with this government and the community, which I feel has improved because of this work done by the former chief and council. Unfortunately there were some problems at the community level that may not have been adequately addressed by the leadership over the past year or two, which ultimately resulted in the community members' loss in confidence in their former chief and council. That is it, Mr. Speaker; no more, no less.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to inform the residents of Lutselk'e and the First Nations members to exercise their democratic rights next week by going out and voting. I look forward to continuing to work closely with the new leaders in the next election. Mahsi.

---Applause

Media Reporting Of Proposed Changes To Lutselk'e Leadership
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Report On The First Nations Cup Hockey Tournament
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, seeing that the NHL is officially off for the rest of the year, I would like to give an update of some of our own home-grown talent in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, back in December, December 17th to the 19th, the First Nations Cup was held here in Yellowknife and Inuvik sent down a team into the masters division, which is I think a better name than old timers. I must say that the Inuvik Ice Devils showed remarkable gamesmanship and won the masters division and took home a fair bit of hardware as well, Mr. Speaker. I feel even better saying this because it's good that the fact that Inuvik can come into a larger centre and compete at that level. It was an excellent tournament put on by a whole lot of groups here in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I would just like to reference the team that came down to take part. It had players Mervin Jacobson, Gordie Kasook, Joe Corigal -- who is also called Baby Joe -- Kenny Jacobson, Dan Carmichael, Tom Williams, Duane Smith, Donald Kuptana, James Day, Davy Krengatuk and, of course, myself.

Report On The First Nations Cup Hockey Tournament
Item 3: Members' Statements

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An Hon. Member

Hey!

---Applause

---Laughter

Report On The First Nations Cup Hockey Tournament
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, just to highlight some of the hardware we took home; besides taking home the championship trophy for the masters division we had the most valuable player, who was also the top goalie, our goalie, Mr. Tom Williams.

---Applause

He happens to be with us today. I shared the top defenseman with another player from a team locally.

---Laughter

So, Mr. Speaker, again congratulations to those boys, and we're looking forward again to coming back and making a trip down to Yellowknife for the Balsillie Cup. Thank you.

---Applause

Report On The First Nations Cup Hockey Tournament
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland, and I'm sure you appreciate the fact that they came up with the new name of "masters" because I'm sure nobody would consider you a senior by looking at you.

---Laughter

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's my pleasure today to welcome, in the visitors' gallery, Mr. Lionel Rundle, the president of the Northwest Territories Fishermen's Federation;

---Applause

Alex Maurice, long-time fisherman in Hay River and a member of the board of directors of the NWT Fishermen's Federation.

---Applause

Three members of the new Great Slave Lake Task Force Group: Jerry Morin, Douglas Buckley and Bert Buckley.

---Applause

Also with them today from Hay River -- no stranger to the Renewable Resources in the Northwest Territories, seconded from RWED to do work with the fishermen, Beatrice Lepine.

---Applause

And, my constituency assistant, Wendy Morgan.

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my pleasure to introduce today in the gallery Mr. Tom Williams who is not only a top goaltender for the Inuvik Ice Devils, but he's also the chief operating officer for the Gwich'in Tribal Council.

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, Mr. McLeod.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

I, too, Mr. Speaker, would like to recognize Mr. Tom Williams who is a former classmate of mine back in SAMS in 1971, I believe. Thank you.

---Laughter

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I as well would like to say a special welcome to the fishermen's taskforce who are here today. Many of them are my constituents. Welcome to the Legislature. I hope you enjoy your day here in Yellowknife.

---Applause

I also want to again recognize my oldest daughter, Michelle, her husband, Brent, and their kids, Lane and Tori Hartwell. Welcome to the Legislature.

---Applause

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

Speaker's Ruling
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Colleagues, before we go on to the next item on the order paper, I would like to read my ruling on the point of order that was raised yesterday.

Yesterday, Premier Handley, during oral questions, raised his point of order under Rule 23(i), which states:

"In debate a Member will be called to order by the Speaker if the Member imputes false or hidden motives to another Member."

In speaking to his point of order, Mr. Handley stated that Mr. Ramsay, the Member for Kam Lake, made an allegation in his line of questioning that the Premier was in a conflict with respect to his involvement in a decision regarding access to certain lands in the city of Yellowknife to conduct geotechnical investigations.

The Premier went on to state that Mr. Ramsay was implying some false or hidden motive on his part.

I note that neither Mr. Ramsay nor any other Member rose to speak to the point of order. I am, therefore, left only with the unedited Hansard and Mr. Handley's point of order upon which to base my decision.

Marleau and Montpetit's House of Commons Procedure and Practice illustrates the difficulty Speakers often face when ruling on matters such as these, and I quote from page 526:

"In dealing with unparliamentary language, the Speaker takes into account the tone, manner and intention of the Member speaking; the person to whom the words are directed; the degree of provocation; and, most importantly, whether or not the remarks created disorder in the Chamber. Thus, language deemed unparliamentary one day may not necessarily be deemed unparliamentary the following day. The codification of unparliamentary language has proven impractical as it is the context in which words or phrases are used that the Chair must consider when deciding whether or not they should be withdrawn."

Thus, in reviewing the transcripts from the questions leading up to the point of order, the context in which they took place was of relevance. This context included both the line of questioning on which the point of order was based, and a previous line of questioning by Mr. Ramsay on that same matter. In that first line of questioning from page 3009 of the unedited Hansard, Mr. Ramsay asked the Premier, and I quote: "how he distinguishes between his responsibilities for his constituency, Premiership and his Ministerial authority at the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs."

In responding to this question, the Premier stated, again on page 3009 of unedited Hansard, that, and I quote: "with due respect, the Member is coming very close to implying that I have some other motives in mind here." Despite being advised that the Premier had taken some offence to Mr. Ramsay's line of questioning, he continued in the same vein for an additional supplementary question, and again in the second series of questions that ultimately led to the point of order.

It is a long-standing parliamentary tradition and a cornerstone of parliamentary democracy that the House recognize and respect the integrity of all its Members. Accusations or charges against another Member, whether veiled or otherwise, are not tolerated in debate and are only permissible through the introduction of a substantive motion. However, each day brings its own challenges as Members continue to approach the line, and in fact tend to kick a little dirt over it on occasion. This is one of those occasions.

As Speaker Whitford noted in a ruling on a similar point of order raised in the 14th Legislative Assembly, "Approaching the line, so to speak, is the same as crossing it in matters such as this." As Members will recall from comments in the House yesterday, the purpose of question period is to seek information from the government. The purpose of question period is not to make allegations against other Members or imply that they have carried out their duties with anything less than full integrity.

With respect to Mr. Handley's point of order, I must conclude that Mr. Handley does have a point of order. The Chair will now ask Mr. Ramsay to take this opportunity to withdraw his remarks and offer an apology to the House. Mr. Ramsay.

Speaker's Ruling
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take this opportunity to withdraw my remarks. If I came close to the line yesterday with those remarks, I apologize to the Premier and to the government for doing that and I guess I will leave it at that. Thank you.

---Applause

Speaker's Ruling
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The remarks are withdrawn. Orders of the day, item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, Mr. McLeod.

Question 420-15(3): Status Of Sir Alexander Mackenzie School
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned in my Member's statement, Inuvik residents are unsure as to the status of SAM School. I would like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if a decision has been made regarding SAM School. Thank you.

Question 420-15(3): Status Of Sir Alexander Mackenzie School
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.