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Question 377-17(5): 2014 Forest Fire Season
Oral Questions

October 15th, 2014

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last question is on maybe an evaluation of the existing or the operations this year.

Have we seen anywhere we can do some cost savings, economies of scale when we have larger fire seasons, and going forward, how do we evaluate that?

Question 377-17(5): 2014 Forest Fire Season
Oral Questions

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. We are at work in terms of a review, cleaning up after fire season, doing the final accounting and then doing the critical debrief is underway. Then early in the new year, we’ll have that work done and we expect to be able to go forward with those findings to committee to have a thorough discussion in anticipation of the upcoming fire season. Thank you.

Question 377-17(5): 2014 Forest Fire Season
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I spent a bit of time highlighting some of the words the Finance Minister had provided this House on February 6th . It was

really talking about embarking on a new adventure of trying to create this initiative that would draw 2,000 new people to the Northwest Territories over the next five years, but as our NWT Bureau of Stats has clearly said, outlined – and I put great faith in their hard work – we’ve had a drop of 218 people in this last year, which puts us about 10 percent below that greater mark.

So, what I want to hear from the Minister today is what is he doing as an initiative to draw new people to the Northwest Territories, because we’ve lost 218 thus far. This has a serious impact in Yellowknife, but it has a crippling impact on every small community. When they lose those jobs, it is devastating, that financial economy is taxed, it hurts the community and we have to put every single effort into building resources in those areas. So, what is the Minister doing? Thank you.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The Minister of Finance, Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re not, in effect, losing jobs. What we’re trying to do is find people to fill the jobs that we have that are in many cases going begging. We have met as a government now numerous times.

We have a working committee that’s looking at a whole host of things, very simple things like the issue that has bedeviled many of us in many of the departments from following up with our students has been this issue that ECE had with confidentiality and an inability to share the information on students in school, where they are, what they’re studying, so that we can in fact make sure that we stay in touch with them and make the job offers and recruit them the same way that the private sector is doing. That issue has been resolved and it’s going to open significant opportunities for us.

We are doing very common sense things like working with industry to jointly go south to job fairs and we combine our efforts to recruit into the North, collectively.

We are looking at, once again through Education, a nominee program, integration program. There’s a new express program coming out from the federal government. We’re looking at that as a way that we can get folks on the ground here, where you can now reach out for specific occupations and get guaranteed from the federal government that within six months you’ll be able to get these folks landed on the ground and in the communities where the jobs are.

We’ve had now two meetings with industry to talk about the further work that they’re doing, the challenges that we collectively have with housing, and there’s more work underway as well. Thank you.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

I was proudly educated in the Northwest Territories, growing up in Fort Simpson and in Yellowknife. My education taught me that negative 218 persons is a lot. So when the Minister says to me – and remember, this is the gentleman in charge of our books and our finances – we’re not losing ground, perhaps the Minister of Finance can explain how a loss of 218 people isn’t a loss to the Northwest Territories and the Northwest Territories isn’t losing ground. Thank you.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. The Member is a fine example of the success of our education system. We’re not excluding the fact that it’s a loss. What we have done is started a program, an initiative that we’ve given ourselves a five-year time horizon, because we recognize that these things take time to sort things out, to turn things around, to do the work that’s necessary, to make the changes that are necessary, to do the things with HR, for example, where we want to be able to go south and enable the folks that go south to take interviews and do job offers on the spot so that we

can be way more timely in how we fill our positions. We don’t argue at all that it’s a loss and it’s setting us even further behind, but our goal still remains the same. We want to look at increasing the population by 2,000, in five years, or greater if at all possible.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Yellowknife’s population has relatively remained the same and we’ve been fortunate only on the principle that we’ve had growth from the communities. That’s terrible, because where the real impact is happening is in the communities. Getting the jobs out to the communities will have a positive effect on the whole territory, every single program we need.

In my Member’s statement today, I said let’s put two teachers in every single school. That would bring new families to every community; that would bring new job growth, new vitality and new cash on the ground where people spend money. There’s an initiative.

Would the Minister speak to that idea, because that would deliver immediate change to those communities and a seriously enormous, positive effect on everything that happens there.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

There are a couple of initiatives that are intertwined here. We are looking at increasing the population of the Northwest Territories. That is one thing we’re trying to do. We are working, as a government, on decentralization to move positions outside of the centre, out to the communities. That work is underway. Phase three is now underway. We are also working to fill the very many vacancies we have, and we have approximately a split between Yellowknife and communities of vacancies anywhere between five to 800 positions that we’re trying to fill in both inside Yellowknife and outside of Yellowknife. If we can address those issues, I think we would be in fine shape.

The issue of adding potentially two teachers in every community, so 66 new positions to the government at a time of fiscal restraint when we also have all these other vacancies, would be a little premature.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I said in my Member’s statement that the net effect would actually be awash because our growth and our federal grant transfer would actually cover the cost of those teachers. May I also briefly remind the Minister that he had pointed out in his February 6th statement that in 2013 we continued to lose population? What’s happening here is, year over year over year we continue to lose population.

My last question is simply this: Where have there been any results of population growth in the

Northwest Territories under the tenure of this McLeod government?

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
Oral Questions

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

What we have laid out is a good, solid plan on a go-forward basis that we believe is going to show results. We are making a lot of the structural, organizational and procedural changes to do that. We have initiated a much closer working relationship with the private sector to make this a combined and joint effort so it’s not just strictly government.

But I can tell you, from a simple math point of view, if we filled the vacancies that we have, then we would address the issue that the Member is talking about many times over, and if we would recruit all the students that we’re giving SFA to, to come back home to take jobs that are there, if we do a better job at that, that would be part of the solution of making those staff changes.

Question 378-17(5): Population Growth Initiatives
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Premier. I would like to ask the Premier a few questions following up on the acceptance of all the devolution legislation that we passed, I guess that we had to accept in the spring. I’d like to, first of all, ask the Premier, in the previous session, and certainly when we were discussing devolution, there was commitment from the Premier that there would be consultation on the devolution legislation that we inherited from the federal government and the three bills that we put forward on our own.

I’d like to ask the Minister, firstly, what has been done since there was something posted quietly on the GNWT website asking for feedback from residents. There’s been little to no publicity around that; that I’m aware of. I’d like to ask the Premier, apart from that, I’d like to get an update on what the government is doing in regards to public consultation on devolution legislation.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member knows, we have committed to doing a review of the 27 pieces of legislation that were mirrored by this government. We have posted on our website and there have been approximately 500 hits on the website. A number of people have been accessing various pieces of legislation, but as of this date there have been no substantive questions or expressions of any concern of any of the legislation on the website.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Premier for that information. Five hundred hits could simply indicate

that somebody’s wondering what’s behind that. I’m a little dismayed that there hasn’t been much response, but then responding to complex legislation on a website is not something that’s easily done.

At one point, several times, I think, in our discussions there was a commitment from the government and from the Premier that Regular Members would be involved in consultations with residents around this devolution legislation. I’d like to ask the Premier, what are the future plans for consultation with residents on devolution legislation?

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

What was outlined and discussed with committee was that we would put this legislation on the website and at the appropriate time we would gather all of the feedback and issues and concerns that were raised and that we would report back to committee with the intention that where there were areas of concern, we would deal with the specific legislation.

Just to be more specific, there have been 1,709 legislation review website views, 537 of those were on the pages that list the new legislation. Specific sites that were visited were the Oil and Gas Operations Act and the Petroleum Resources Act. They were the most popular, and visitors spent an average of 2.25 minutes reviewing the material. There were also 184 visits to the question and answer and comment page, and I said there were zero questions submitted for response, zero comments submitted for posting, zero requests for additional briefings, zero new written submissions where we’re asking the public to identify what areas of legislation they were concerned with and what changes they would like to see implemented and improved.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Premier for that informative information, but I have to say, it’s pretty hard to comment on complex legislation in two and a half minutes. Goodness knows, the Premier mentioned 27 pieces of legislation, and I am aware that we’re dealing with 10.

To the Premier, I’d like to know, it sounds as though the only plans that were there was that we were going to take comments from the public. It was then going to come back to Regular Members.

I need to specifically ask the Premier, as he, I thought, committed to Regular Members to do this consultation in concert with us, are there plans to go out to the public in person and to publicize it far more than we have already and to do consultation with our residents?

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

As I have said before, the objective of the review was to encourage the general public to better understand the legislative process associated with devolution, including mirroring and delegation. Also, to have an

opportunity to review the devolution legislation and to ask questions of clarification. We also wanted to communicate that the devolve and then evolve process, and we wanted to gather initial public responses, questions and suggestions about current and future devolution legislation and we wanted to provide the general public with an understanding of the legislative processes for amendment of existing bills and development of new legislation. I think we’ve accomplished all of those, and what we want to do, I guess, is we will take all of the information that we’ve received.

Perhaps in view of the lack of response, we could extend the process and start another communications process to appoint people to the legislation. But I guess in my mind, with the fact that there is little or no response, it means that everybody, the public, is happy with the mirrored legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t agree with the Premier that no response means that everybody’s happy. I think there’s been a huge lack of publicity about this. I think there also has been an ignoring of the fact that Regular Members and Cabinet wanted to work together on this and that hasn’t happened.

So again I would like to ask the Premier – he’s saying that maybe something will happen – if he will commit to working with the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning to develop a consultation plan so that residents will have a reasonable and concrete input into devolution legislation problems and changes. Thank you.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

The website update and advertising campaign began on May 20, 2014. It was highlighted in the sessional statement of May 28th . This was followed by a news release on May

29th and a very extensive advertising campaign in

northern papers. We are planning to start another round of advertising and it’s scheduled to start in early November. As usual and as always, we work very closely with committee on all of these things.

Question 379-17(5): Public Consultation On Devolution Legislation
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Bromley.