This is page numbers 3683 – 3722 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are in line with Mr. Blake and Mr. Menicoche. I want to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services how many communities are without a full-time nurse in their communities. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Abernethy.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that number is 10: Sachs Harbour, Tsiigehtchic, Colville Lake, Jean Marie River, Kakisa, Nahanni Butte, Trout Lake, Wrigley, Wekweeti and Enterprise. So 10, Mr. Speaker.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

So think about it, 10 communities do not have full-time nurses. They have a layperson, CHR, they have nurses come in once a month, if the weather is good, providing the plane is there, the winter road. There are 10 communities that day in and day out have no health centres. I would appreciate the Minister willing to go to bat to look at the model. We need to change the model. He says, “think outside the box.” I think I want to tell the Minister, rather than think outside the box, we need to get out of the box and see what we can do.

I want to ask the Minister, is he willing to commit to the House and to the people in the 10 communities, to this side of the government and this Cabinet here to say we have a plan, we’re willing to do this and we are going to put nurses in one of those communities so that next time it will be nine communities or eight communities? Can the Minister do that?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Minister of Health and Social Services

I’d like to just correct my last remark; it is nine communities. Sachs Harbour does have a nurse in charge and a CHN, so it is nine communities, so good progress there.

Mr. Speaker, it’s a similar response that I’ve had before. We are going to look at the ISDM; we are going to work with the Members and the communities to try and find solutions that work. I can’t commit to putting nurses in those communities at this time because we haven’t done the work. We need to figure out what will work to provide the residents the best care, the best health and the best results that we can. So, I will do that work; we will do that work and we will have those discussions with committee and Members. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this Minister works pretty fast. Now he’s down from 10 to nine. I wish he could be the speed of light and then next week we could think about how we could get nurses into our communities and drop those numbers.

Given these nine communities without a permanent nurse, is there any type of analyses done across the communities where there are unique approaches to having full-time nurses and different types of programs that can bring a full-time nurse into the communities, given that the safety and health concern is a balance that this government – we have about a year, or just about 500 days – can put a plan together? I’ve seen magic work in this government. Where they can put a plan together, a business case and say, let’s start on this plan, is that something the Minister is willing to commit to?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I’ve committed to having the department do a review of the ISDM with respect to the mix of professionals in our smaller, more remote communities and I’ll do that. We do need to be clear: all these communities do receive support and do receive health care services from the Department of Health and Social Services and its associated health and social services authorities. Colville Lake, by way of example, has a CHN in there for three days a month from Norman Wells and they do have community health workers, so there is some level of support there.

We are trying to enhance our ability to provide emergency response in those communities, and one of the ways we’re addressing some of those issues is through Med-Response, where the individuals in the community, the CHW, nurses and whatnot, will have a direct link to a doctor or physician, nurse practitioner or nurse who can help them through challenging situations.

We want to do more emergency training in the communities so that people and residents are prepared and ready for emergency response. Those things are going to continue and we need to do those, but we will do a review of the ISDM with respect to the matrix and mix of professionals in the communities and I will share that with Members as we proceed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sometimes the Minister and some of the Ministers have gone to the Sahtu to realize what it’s like to live in the small communities. We can talk about it, but once you get into the small communities, then you really understand, because not everything is in books and written down; you have to experience it. So going into Colville Lake or Tsiigehtchic or Wrigley, the Minister then understands what people have to do on a 24/7 basis.

I want to ask the Minister again, we are talking about a $700 million business case to bring the hydro down south. Let’s look at our folks and look at serving our people first. Let’s put a business case together. You can do it. I know it can be done. That’s why we have you guys over there to put something like this to give us safety and security in our communities and to go back and say for another year we still have nine communities without nurses. I want to ask the Minister, with this commitment within the life of this government, put a nurse in our communities. That’s what we’re asking for. Look at the model and change the model.

I want to ask the Minister, will he do this for the communities that do not have nurses today as we stand here?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, we will work with communities; we will work with Members; we will work with committees to find ways to enhance and improve services for all residents of the Northwest Territories, including those in the small communities of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Member for Hay River North, Mr. Bouchard.

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement about the extended care beds in Hay River, I forgot to mention those valuable elders in our extended care facility, especially my mom.

My question today is for the Minister of Health. When will the study be completed on the extended bed facility in Hay River?

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Abernethy.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to have to go back to the department because I’m not 100 percent sure what study the Member is talking about. I can say that Woodland Manor expansion was approved as part of the ’13-14 GNWT capital estimates during the fall 2013 session. We are moving forward with an expansion to Woodland Manor, which will include eight long-term care rooms, one palliative care room and one respite care room. Those rooms are available for long-term care as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, my understanding was that they were going to do a study on the needs of the community. Being a regional centre, there would be a study seeing what the demands are for that type of facility and what the future requirements for that type of facility are. I’m just wondering if the Minister would get back to me on when that type of study would be completed.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, Hay River currently provides accommodation for 25 long-term care residents. The Woodland Manor currently operates at 15 and the hospital there currently has 10. We are taking the 10 out of what is the old hospital. We are putting the addition onto Woodland and we’re increasing capacity, or maintaining capacity at 25 in Hay River.

As far as future facilities, we are doing the Aging in Place Strategy, which is going to help inform where we go from here with respect to care facilities in the Northwest Territories, and we will continue to work with the Housing Corp, who has done a significant amount of good work with respect to independent living facilities throughout the Northwest Territories.

With respect to the plan, I’ll get back to the Member.

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, obviously I’m concerned about the seniors facility that’s being built and the needs assessment that would be in the community of Hay River. We know the population is aging. We want to know what the demands are for five, 10, 15, 20 years from now. Obviously, the 10 beds in that facility are something that we’re pleased that they actually put that back in the budget because it should have been there all along, but we also want to know what the demands are for the community in the years to come.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, a needs forecast for the entire Northwest Territories is going to help inform the Aging in Place Strategy. I will get back to the Member with that information. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bouchard.

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

I have no more further questions, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. Mr. Bromley.

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Premier on aspects of our Devolution Agreement from my statement earlier today. I would like to note Schedule 7, Part E of the Devolution Agreement includes a list of potentially contaminated sites that will be transferred to the GNWT as of April 1st is my understanding.

Can the Premier confirm that we, the GNWT, will be receiving financial securities to cover all the liabilities accessed by our land and water boards when this transfer takes place on April 1st or what

the schedule is? Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.In his Member’s statement the Member referred to the mine that was in Nunavut. Obviously, we’re not going to take that one over, but currently, through the Mackenzie Valley resource management authority, the boards will continue to set securities. The GNWT will set some securities on lands, GNWT lands.

The process that we’re following is those contaminated sites that were made under the Government of Canada’s watch, they will stay with the Government of Canada, but those sites were cleaned up, we will accept some of those. Those securities that we have identified with the Government of Canada, we have a list of those that

will be transferred over to our Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.