Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley.
Debates of March 5th, 2015
This is page numbers 5977 – 6020 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was plan.
Topics
Question 756-17(5): Regulating The Morel Mushroom Harvest
Oral Questions
![Bob Bromley](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-bob-bromley/84337f7189945c18b7eeb205d1da1f9a.jpg)
Bob Bromley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that commitment. In fact, it’s because jurisdictions are not doing the testing that the
industry now does it because they’re liable, of course.
Let me see if I can get this right. There is a portable, high quality X-ray florescence, XRF, high count rate DELTA Premium heavy metal analyzer available that can answer the Minister’s needs. It provides a response on what the contaminant load is within a few minutes at 95 percent accuracy. It’s available from Vancouver for $40,000 U.S., and it takes four to six weeks to be on site. Now, we would need this in the order of seven to nine weeks from today.
I’m wondering if the Minister would also commit to looking into that modest investment for this potentially very large industry and resolving things just like that.
Question 756-17(5): Regulating The Morel Mushroom Harvest
Oral Questions
![Michael Miltenberger](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-michael-miltenberger/8087ab551507559ea7a4e30ed041f172.jpg)
Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
If the Member can rattle off that name without looking at his paper again, I will commit to looking at that. All joking aside, I will add that to the list that I have to follow up on with the department. Though, I would be interested to see if the Member could actually rattle that name off without looking at that paper.
Question 756-17(5): Regulating The Morel Mushroom Harvest
Oral Questions
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Wendy Bisaro](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-wendy-bisaro/f57740ada86d219027814af56a795703.jpg)
Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services, and I wanted to ask some questions about the Mental Health Act. We have on our Order Paper the first reading of a bill that’s coming up. We’ve also been hearing from the Minister for quite some time that the Mental Health Act is under revision. It seems to be an extremely long time coming. Certainly, the standing committee has been looking at it for over a year. I’d like to ask the Minister, first of all, to give us an update on where the development of a new Mental Health Act is at this point.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
March 4th, 2015
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Glen Abernethy](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-glen-abernethy/de05448ba7a6bd66ac40e9fe651978cc.jpg)
Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The current Mental Health Act is quite old, quite outdated. It’s truly not meeting the needs of the residents of the Northwest Territories. Moving forward with the Mental Health Act, the department released a discussion paper in November 2013 for review by residents of the Northwest Territories. From May to June 2014, the department consulted with key stakeholders on the proposed Mental Health Act as well as the discussion papers. In November we received the LP back from committee which gave us the ability to move forward and develop drafting instructions with the input of committee, because they had an opportunity to
review the discussion papers and hear much of the input. Once we got the input from the Members through the LP, we prepared the drafting instructions. Those drafting instructions have gone to the Department of Justice and the legislation is currently being drafted.
This is a massive piece of legislation. It’s not an amendment; it’s a brand new piece of legislation. As we are moving forward we had said and indicated that this will take 10 to 12 months, once we get the LP back, to actually go through the drafting process. This is a priority of mine; this is a priority of government; and I know it’s a priority of Members. We’re committed to trying and working really hard to have that legislation ready for the May/June sitting.
Right now, I have regular conversations with the Department of Health, and I’ve got commitment from the Minister of Justice to commit resources to this project to get it done by May/June. But we’re working on a tight deadline and we’re trying to get 10 to 12 months’ worth of work done in six months. I’m optimistic that we can do it and we’re hopeful to have the legislation in front of this House in May/June. There is a chance it may not happen, and if it doesn’t happen, I’ve committed to tabling the document in the life of this Assembly so that other people can start looking at it and reviewing it in anticipation of passing it in the 18th Assembly.
But my preference, the preference of Cabinet is to get that piece of legislation done for the May/June sitting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Wendy Bisaro](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-wendy-bisaro/f57740ada86d219027814af56a795703.jpg)
Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thanks to the Minister for that long answer, good answer. The Minister mentioned that drafting instructions were given to the legislative drafters. One of the major concerns that I think all of us have with regards to certain patients is that they go off their meds and they create dangerous situations for themselves and for other people, family, public and so on.
I’d like to know from the Minister what was in the drafting instructions that he gave to the legislative drafters that will look at that problem in terms of clients and patients who create dangers for themselves and the public. Thank you.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Glen Abernethy](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-glen-abernethy/de05448ba7a6bd66ac40e9fe651978cc.jpg)
Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, in looking at what other jurisdictions are doing to address this exact problem, there are actually models out there where we can do this exact thing. Individuals who have come in for psychiatric assessment or a diagnosis who are on medications, who are in our system, we can work with them to sign that release document that will allow them to leave our facilities, on the understanding that they will take the medications on a regular basis. If they don’t, then we can look at working with them to bring them back in the facility.
It’s a complicated piece of legislation. It’s going to take a lot of work, and it’s going to take a complete
rewrite to get us to the position where we’ll be able to do that. There is no simple fix for this. This takes a massive undertaking to make this happen. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Wendy Bisaro](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-wendy-bisaro/f57740ada86d219027814af56a795703.jpg)
Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thanks again to the Minister. Another concern that arises when you talk about someone who is going to be a danger and they are then admitted, whether they want to be or not, into a psychiatric facility, there’s a certain human rights issue there, people being held potentially against their will.
How will the new act address that? How will it look at having people admitted who don’t necessarily want to be but need to be? Thank you.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Glen Abernethy](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-glen-abernethy/de05448ba7a6bd66ac40e9fe651978cc.jpg)
Glen Abernethy Great Slave
There’s always going to be a high standard required, both medically and legally, to involuntarily commit an individual. Our current act is really vague in this particular area, and the drafting instructions are to look at the other jurisdictions and find ways to enhance that, recognizing that we do have to be incredibly careful so that we don’t infringe on individuals’ human rights.
But there is precedent out there. There is legislation out there. We’re looking at making a complete change to our Mental Health Act.
As I said, barring any unforeseen complications, we’re hoping and anticipating we’ll get that in May/June. If we can’t, we’ll certainly be tabling it in the fall sitting, as I’ve indicated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Wendy Bisaro](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-wendy-bisaro/f57740ada86d219027814af56a795703.jpg)
Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a question as to process. If the bill is not ready for tabling in May/June, it then will not be able to go through our process before the Assembly is dissolved and an election takes place. So when the Minister says he’s tabling, maybe he could explain what that means.
What is he tabling and what does that mean in terms of a bill coming forward and actually processing through and getting passed at some point? Thank you.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![Glen Abernethy](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-glen-abernethy/de05448ba7a6bd66ac40e9fe651978cc.jpg)
Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, as I’ve indicated, we’ve always been fairly clear that the legislation is going to take about 10 to 12 months to conclude, once we have received the LP back. The LP came back in November, which leaves us about just over six months to May/June. Recognizing the importance of this legislation, the Minister of Justice has committed staff and I’ve committed staff to make this happen for May/June. So that’s six months’ work in 10 months.
We’re working like crazy to make this happen, and it’s our hope that it will happen. We’re intending to actually introduce the bill for first reading and
second reading, not table it in May/June, but first reading and second reading in May/June.
If, unfortunately, unforeseen circumstances like we have to rewrite a whole lot of regulations or one of our staff members happens to get ill and isn’t able to continue with the file, we may not finish in May/June. If that happens, our intention is to table the document in the August or fall sitting, which will make this a public document so all residents in the Northwest Territories will be able to review, read and discuss this legislation. Discussion can begin at that point. At which point, early in the 18th Assembly, whoever the Minister of Health and Social Services happens to be, he can bring that forward at the first sitting for first reading and second reading and then begin the normal 120-day process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 757-17(5): Development Of New Mental Health Act
Oral Questions
![The Speaker](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-jackie-jacobson/9ee24101e5f32e5a700733590d722ba9.jpg)
The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Time for oral questions has expired. Colleagues, before I go on, I would like to welcome my daughter Kristin Jacobson to the Assembly today.
Item 9, written questions. Item 10, returns to written questions. Item 11, replies to opening address. Item 12, petitions. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Mr. Miltenberger.
Tabled Document 213-17(5): Natural Resources Conservation Trust Fund Annual Report 2013-2014 Tabled Document 214-17(5): Waste Reduction And Recovery Program 2013-2014 Annual Report
Tabling of Documents
![Michael Miltenberger](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-michael-miltenberger/8087ab551507559ea7a4e30ed041f172.jpg)
Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
I wish to table the following two documents, entitled “Natural Resources Conservation Trust Fund Annual Report 2013-2014” and “Waste Reduction and Recovery Program 2013-2014 Annual Report.” Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Tabled Document 213-17(5): Natural Resources Conservation Trust Fund Annual Report 2013-2014 Tabled Document 214-17(5): Waste Reduction And Recovery Program 2013-2014 Annual Report
Tabling of Documents
![The Speaker](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-jackie-jacobson/9ee24101e5f32e5a700733590d722ba9.jpg)
The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Item 15, notices of motion. Mrs. Groenewegen.
Motion 38-17(5): Establishment Of A Special Committee On Transition Matters
Notices of Motion
![Jane Groenewegen](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-jane-groenewegen/443898d0e92a89f432474e2a8608f9d0.jpg)
Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Monday, March 9, 2015, I will move the following motion: Now therefore I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha, that, pursuant to Rule 88(1), the
Legislative Assembly hereby establish a Special Committee on Transition Matters;
And further, that the following Members be named to the special committee: • the Member for Sahtu, Mr. Norman Yakeleya,
chair;
• the Member for Hay River North, Mr. Robert
Bouchard;
• the Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Alfred
Moses;
• the Member for Kam Lake, Mr. David Ramsay; • the Member for Range Lake, Mr. Daryl Dolynny;
and
• the Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Tom Beaulieu;
And furthermore, that the Special Committee on Transition Matters be established by the terms of reference, identified as Tabled Document 211- 17(5). Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Motion 38-17(5): Establishment Of A Special Committee On Transition Matters
Notices of Motion
![The Speaker](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-jackie-jacobson/9ee24101e5f32e5a700733590d722ba9.jpg)
The Speaker Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 12, Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Act; Bill 36, Health and Social Services Professions Act; Committee Report 10- 17(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2013-2014 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories; Tabled Document 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016; Tabled Document 205-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 5, 2014-2015; Tabled Document 206-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2014-2015; and Tabled Document 207-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2015-2016, with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
![The Chair](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-jane-groenewegen/443898d0e92a89f432474e2a8608f9d0.jpg)
The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Good afternoon, Members. I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee today? Ms. Bisaro.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
![Wendy Bisaro](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-wendy-bisaro/f57740ada86d219027814af56a795703.jpg)
Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chair. We wish to continue with Tabled Document 188-17(5), NWT Main Estimates 2015-2016, continuing with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and, time permitting, Public Works and Services. Thank you.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
![The Chair](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-jane-groenewegen/443898d0e92a89f432474e2a8608f9d0.jpg)
The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. We’ll commence with that after a brief break. Thank you.
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
![The Chair](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/17-robert-bouchard/1a425e43f0ee08c0b0f2dac39a11cb18.jpg)
The Chair Robert Bouchard
Thank you, committee. I will call Committee of the Whole back to order. I will go to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty. Do you have witnesses to bring into the House?