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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. Minister Wawzonek.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Right now at this moment, the budget is one that is fully covered through ICIP as well as a second -- largely a second fund being put forward by the federal government to support the project health infrastructure fund. And the cost estimate in this particular instance is quite recent. It's just from this past 2023-2024 fiscal year. We are usually at greater risk -- obviously the greater expanse in time between the time of when we get a final estimate to go forward and then when we proceed to the construction or the tendering. In addition, obviously there's the consideration of the longer a design phase may take, that puts us at greater risk. And sometimes the calls for funding that the federal government puts out can put a situation where a project that's only at a class estimate that is less certain as being put forward because of the timing for the call from the federal government.

In this particular case, again, the cost estimate's fairly recent, the funding is at 100 percent. Yellowknife's a little bit easier than a more remote community. All of those are factors that hopefully will put us in a position where we are not coming back for any changes. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go back to YK North, the Member.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Thank you. That's all my questions on that one. I appreciate the clarity around those details. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. Any further general comments from Members? Thank you. I'm going to continue on.

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2023-2024, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, health and social services programs not previously authorized, negative $15,190,000. Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2023-2024, Department of Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, long term and continuing care services, not previously authorized, negative $2,600,000. Is there any questions? There's one question from Member from YK -- sorry, Member from Frame Lake.

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Julian Morse

Julian Morse Frame Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I would ask pretty similar questions on this one as we did on the other facility that we were talking about in Yellowknife. What's the reason for the change in project timeline?

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I want to go to Minister Wawzonek.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, let me see if Mr. Courtoreille might have that handy. Thank you.

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Terence Courtoreille

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This project has been delayed largely due to the natural disasters in Hay River over the past couple of years. We've had flooding two years ago and then last year with the wildfire situation. And this sup proposal is really just to move the construction dollars to a forward period to accommodate construction of the project at a future time. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I want to go to the Member from Frame Lake.

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Julian Morse

Julian Morse Frame Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. It sounded from that answer that we don't yet have a date for when that's going to start. Do we have a date, or it's still up in the air?

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't have a date here specifically, and I can certainly go back and confirm if there is something. At this point, we just have the design phase from 2023-2024 and with that complete, hoping to get going in 2024-2025. But, again, I think given some of the impacts over the last year to the community, we'd want to go back and confirm that before that's taken as final. But, again, hoping it will be beginning of this season. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member of Frame Lake. Thank you.

Next Member I have is Inuvik Boot Lake.

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Rodgers

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll repeat my question again. In 2018, I was intimately involved with the much-needed proposed 48-bed long-term care facility in Inuvik. A design was done by IRC, including the staffing plan. I know there's been some work done, some geotechnical work done on one potential location up there for it. Several meetings were had with the then Minister of health. So my question is given that the Hay River one is, albeit deferred, still on the books, has that one been deleted?

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to Minister Wawzonek.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this was one of several projects with respect to long-term care that I believe it was in and around or immediately after the height of the COVID-19 pandemic and a recognition across Canada around long-term care and the direction that long-term care might need to go, namely, to be a shift towards more operations rather than capital in order to help seniors and elders remain in their homes with support rather than have to be in long-term care situations. And with that and with that change, a number of projects were re-examined. This is one of them and, in that sense, it went back to its planning stage, and that is what the funding is -- there is still now funding for that to happen. That is expected. That fulsome re-examination of planning is expected and planned for 2024-2025. And then once that is then -- once that planning is done, it would be returning back through the capital planning process. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Inuvik Boot Lake.

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Rodgers

Yeah, I mean this project to me ticks -- you know, ticks a lot of boxes if you look at our priorities. Obviously working with Indigenous governments given that, I believe -- and we'd have to go back to IRC again to have that conversation, there was even an offer for IRC to put skin in the game in this one and actually build a facility and then have GNWT operate and lease the beds from them solely for that, including oversight on the staffing. There's obviously the 60 positions that would come with this, so you talk about the economy and then boost the economy and certainly a boost to our region having 60 -- likely 30 of those full-time positions and 30 part-time positions in the region would be very important as well. And, of course, the training aspect, working with Aurora College, new polytechnic to do this.

So the Minister said that they're going to look at in 2024-2025 sort of gone back to the do-we-need-it phase, or is this something that is still looked at as a potential project? And I understand about the, you know, aging in your home, but I did hear quite a bit on, certainly when I was campaigning, there were quite a few people that raised the issue of no long-term care facilities in the region and nowhere for -- you know, elders having to leave the community of Inuvik and move to other regions in the territory to access that kind of care.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to Minister Wawzonek.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, I know that at one point there was an examination just around the numbers of beds that would be appropriate, keeping in mind some of those considerations that I had mentioned previously, and that is the state of the planning as to -- but there is still an intention that there should be and would need to be an addition or an expansion of a long-term care facility in Inuvik. Part of the consideration is whether or to what extent it can be done as an expansion to the hospital in Inuvik. So, again, I do want to give some assurance that there's a recognition that there do need to be some expansion. It's exactly how much and where, what that might look like, and what types of facilities would be included. So, for instance, what types of laundry and kitchen facilities, what kind of programming facilities. So long answer but, you know, again, assurance that there's something coming. It's a matter of making sure that it's appropriately sized in terms of the beds.

Perhaps, Mr. Chair -- again, I don't have -- because that project isn't provided in great detail here, I can certainly commit to providing an update to the -- you know, likely relying on my colleague from Health and Social Services but an update to the Member on the project. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Inuvik Boot Lake.

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Rodgers

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And, yes, and certainly I would seek permission from IRC but I'd be happy to share the proposal that was presented because I may or may not still have that on a memory stick when I was -- from being up there, worked on that one quite extensively. And given our -- again, you know, this government, we want to work more collaboratively with Indigenous governments as we move forward, it's been kind of -- we've wrapped a lot of things of what we said and what we'll do around that.

So can the Minister -- and I'm not sure if she'd have this information or her staff. So the geotechnical work was done on one site between the hospital and the nurses' residence in Inuvik. Has that been -- was that geotechnical work completed? And if so, what was the result from the -- from that work?